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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can't leave twitter,

or post "Fuck Spez" thousands of times, but won't leave reddit,

I'm cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome.

I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience.

[–] Kerrigor@kbin.social 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.

Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift.

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[–] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You made me proud of myself! I have left all three!

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

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[–] manucode@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don't benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn't directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google's Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.

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[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 78 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I just switched yesterday after learning more about why I should here in Lemmy.

The last time I tried FF (many years ago) it was incredibly slow, so I went with chrome. But the FF of today is actually noticably quicker.

[–] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah being able to import all my stuff from chrome to Firefox was so clutch, now I just have to find a good day to spend getting the rest of my shit out of google's hands and get this pixel phone to run grapheneOS.

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[–] Hypnos9@artemis.camp 58 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I can't believe people still use Chrome, Firefox is better by a mile.

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk, I've used both browsers and I prefer Chrome in terms of features and UI. But it's not worth the privacy you get with Firefox

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

same problem we had back in the ie5/6 days: it was just there and most people don't care. i physically cringe when i watch co-workers using chrome with not even a basic adblocker installed, klicking away ads, promts, pop-ups, videos and whatnot just to access a news article. it's horrible!

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[–] DireDazzle@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.

I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they're unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox...

Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer...

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That's why Google is trying to launch the "Web Integrity API" that will essentially allow them to mandate any website accessible to or using Google Services to ban browsers that have ad blockers.

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[–] solidsnake2085@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Firefox Mobile is great, Being able to add extensions is just wonderful.

[–] monotrox@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I cant live without UBlock Origin after using it for so long. The modern web is so horrible with ads

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You wish that was happening.

I'm preparing to be completely unsurprised that Firefox's market share will still be at 3% next month and the month after that.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If I had to choose between a tracked, ad-filled experience and a slower, protected experience, I would go back to 1990s style Internet in a second.

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A few years back when Firefox went through the whole "Quantum" update, I jumped and never looked back. It's just better in every way, in my opinion.

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[–] egeres@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the advantage for google of doing this move? People "savy" enough to install an adblock (or even know that it exists) is most likely to switch to a competitor that allows for adblocking

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Majority will keep using, for a while, until years later more see what has happened and move.

Mean while profits on marketing go up.

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[–] gi1242@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think firefox should ship with ublock origin installed. (Perhaps also containers).

Hopefully then more people will migrate faster

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

At least tracking protection should be set to strict, iirc on default setting it barely blocks any ads.

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[–] desto@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

In the old days I used Firefox exclusively, until my work started only supporting chrome so I kinda went with it and switched. Out of habit I continued until a couple of years ago, that I went full Firefox again and I remembered why I loved it.

[–] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Google: Not this time

unleashes web integrity API

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

people when they learn about unlock origin works better with firefox

I bet most people saying chrome is faster don't even know about adblockers or are using Google's websites

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[–] kryostar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] thebeardedgent@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started using Firefox as my browser at work because I hate trying to use profiles and I'm a convert! It's really great!

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[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously. I'll be a redditor here, but that's my "migrate-to-another service moment". If I'm not able to whitelist the sites that provide a reasonable ad experience and block ads on those that dont, then I'm moving to a different browser and password saving environment.

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[–] cefditoren@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have for a long time been on Firefox. It's stable and works great.

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[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I use adblockers, my wife does not. Regardless of the ads, we both switched from Chrome to Firefox this year solely due to the memory usage.

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[–] walnutwalrus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] red@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is downright funny. Best way to lose your market share, simply put. I've used Googles family of products for around 13 years.

First they ruin Photos, then Google Workspace (12€/month drive price to almost 100€), and now the browser.

Soon it's back to gmail and everything else non-google. And I suppose that's a good thing.

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[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if Firefox couldnt block ads just like chrome, I still would prefer it. So much nicer in every way.

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[–] pelicans_plight@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google and every other corporation that wants to be your Daddy or your slave master can go fuck off and die. Personally I have been done for a while now, when Google shit all over the world by buying YouTube then making everyone sign in to Google plus to use, it was it for me, I have never actually signed in to YouTube since, and have tried to avoid giving Google any traffic to this day.

I think we don't have a choice anymore but to start making a new society built from scratch for the people. We can start by using the vast amount of tools and resources built by corporations to enslave us against the same corporations doing the enslaving.

I don't know if the human population can actually collectively do what's necessary to save themselves or more then likely their children from a life of permanent servitude these corporations want.

But why not give it a try, it's better then realizing you were a feckless idiot that did absolutely nothing while you're waiting for a corporation to cut off your life support because you're no longer profitable.

Politicians will allow corporations to enslave everyone but that magical 1%, they're not vary bright, they don't study history, all they study is fleecing the public, when the shit finally hits the fan the leaders these politicians make will hang them first.

And if some corporation don't like what I'm saying, come at me bitch, I've got curable cancer, I've been told I got ten years left, so have fun then die (I'm on a Tennessee Republican Death Panel right now.) So lets see how much "fun" I can make for corporations in ten years.

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