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How did you get your job? Any advice? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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I'm in tech; senior level. But I've been looking for work for over 3 years. I've been getting advice/tips/tricks from other people, but nothing has worked so far. These are things I've tried:

  • Blindly applying for a job through the job form
  • Working with a recruiter to get me a position.
  • Asking to chat with someone on a team with an open position.
  • Asking to chat with someone on a team with NO positions.
  • Working to establish myself as an expert on social media.
  • Asking friends if their company is hiring.
  • "Slow networking" (not asking for a job directly, but trying VERY hard to be patient and get to know someone first)
  • Fast networking...taking the direct "hey, you hiring?" approach.
  • Lynchpin networking (connecting people w/ other people)
  • Giving talks at conferences
  • Guerrilla tech support (providing my 2 cents on a post even if no one was asking for it).
  • open source contributions
  • Temp agencies
  • state jobs
  • looking for "hiring" tags on social media.
  • connecting with high-profile people and asking if they need help.
  • developing a complete MVP that would help someone (yet I couldn't quite market effectively).
  • Leveraging previous employers to see if they have anything new.
  • Offering "low hanging fruit" gigs on social media.
  • Putting my resume on job boards.
  • Getting a role well below my pay grade and working my way up (if I try this I get automatically disqualified for being too overqualified).
  • Providing free consultation to businesses.
  • Hosting a podcast interview with someone from a company.
  • Writing a guest post for an article (I've kind of done this, I think).

Edit:

  • I've also had my resume, LinkedIn profile, and other social media, looked over by professionals and nonprofessionals alike. I've even gotten coaching. I've probably gotten more coaching than interviews at this point.

Another edit:

  • The only think that's worked lately (as terrible as it sounds) is groveling and telling people the severity of my situation. And that's just gotten me very very small dead-end projects in someone's back pocket. I'm definitely trying to leverage these as best I can.

Any other strategies people have found that works? How did you get your job? I'm running out of ideas.

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[–] Soulfulginger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like if you're trying all of this and it's still not working, something about the way you're selling yourself isn't working. Have you tried changing your resume to better match different job descriptions? Try having someone give you feedback on the way you interview. Are you coming on too strong? Maybe you dont have enough specific examples in your answers or too many specifics and not enough leadership/direction. I would also use LinkedIn if you're not already

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah custom tailor your resume for every role you apply to.

The hiring manager sees you have 4 years of java and 2 years of C++ for a role using Vue and typescript? Garbage.

Saying you have experience in Java, C++, Vue and typescript? No

"I have this experience which matches or exceeds the posted qualifications".

[–] MdRuckus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I work for the Federal Government and just got my job by applying to something else on Career Builder. After you submit a resume or application they give you the option to mass apply to jobs. I did that. I had no clue I had even applied for the job. I've now been working for them for 10 years and have had four promotions. I'm now on a leadership role. I never even meant to apply to it.

[–] shellsharks@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago

My last three jobs...

  • Applied directly to the req on the company job portal
  • Recruiter contacted me about the role
  • Recruiter contacted me about the role
[–] borkcorkedforks@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're not getting interviews then the issue probably has to do your resume. Maybe formatting. Maybe the contents or job history. Have you been out of work for a long time? Lack newer tools/knowledge? Too much job hopping?

If you are getting interviews then the resume and where you're applying is fine. Either you're probably lacking in soft skills, interview skills, or not impressing them. There could also be a mismatch between the salary you want and what they want to offer.

[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I used to get more interviews. I've had my resume looked over by probably over a dozen professionals and nonprofessionals. My work history is definitely spotty. Early on I got fired from most companies I worked for (unmanaged ADHD & I chose companies I wasn't a good fit for) so it looks like I job-hopped.

When I did get interviews I wasn't able to pass any of the coding challenges that companies seem to have a hard-on for these days, no matter how prepared I was for them. I get test anxiety due to a processing disorder, and am unable to perform even at an average level. But when I ask for companies to compensate for that, none are willing to do it. All I can do is just move on.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

I've done a few things.

I have a mailing list for all my recruiters. They all get added in whenever I get pings on LinkedIn or cold calls. When I am looking for work the mailing list all gets BCC'd a message saying I'm looking, here is my resume, what I'm looking for, etc. When I book an interview I BCC them all saying one of the recruiters has setup an interview, if you work on their behalf do not submit my name as I know there are issues with multiple recuiters doing that. They all get the info, and honestly all the recruiters I've worked with have loved this.

Second is apply to everything. There have been places where their job description was my exact work history and yet I get no response. No one is hamed by you applying all over. They want candidates and if no one applied then the jobs would stay empty. I found a job in 4 months of looking but I applied to probably 70 jobs. Some were me trying to get a huge raise and position job, a few were worst case scenario. The job before my previous one took 9 months of looking and a few hundred applications. I did get a few offers along the way but not things I wanted to do.

It is all a numbers game. I've been a developer for 25 years and it has never been a one and done task. I have all sorts of crap to toot my own horn and I'd say that in 90% of the jobs I apply for I'm overly qualified and yet many times I didn't get a call because the person fielding my resume and application didn't move it along. Was the role filled? Did they think I'd get bored or expect more pay? Did they not like the font I'm using? I will never know.

Oh and your interview skills needs to be worked on.

[–] Mrmcmisterson@slightlyawesome.ninja 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've been looking for work for 3 years? Have you been out of work for 3 years? If you've been out of work for 3 years, what type of tech do you do?

Infrastructure? Administrator? Developer? Security?

Have any certifications? HR likes to see those even if they are basic ones.

Since it's been 3 years, have you been keeping your skills up to date? Tech changes so rapidly, take for example, I completed my AZ-305 2 years ago, since then I've had to renew twice and each time the test has new stuff. Azure tech changes constantly.

My current position is Senior Consultant, I got it by leaving a different position and contracting for a few years. A big consulting firm scooped me up on my second contract.

[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do have a bachelor of science in computer science. Been living paycheck-to-paycheck (or worse) for years, so most certs are out of the question.

[–] Mrmcmisterson@slightlyawesome.ninja 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK, You have a degree

What is your experience like?

What is your field in tech?

What make you senior?

Another important question, where are you located? This can make a huge difference, if you are looking in a small town for senior tech jobs then you aren't going to get much.

Right now, tech jobs aren't doing well since companies over hired, then decided to shed those positions. But Senior positions are usually always in demand.

[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have over 10 years experience. I am senior level because a few years ago I started to get jobs labeled "senior," so I'm like, "okay, guess I'm senior level now." And freelancing I usually manage the entire project.

I'm located in a major city that has a lot of major tech companies. Got hardcore ghosted (again, with no explanation) by the majority of them years ago, though I will occasionally check back in with anyone from the company who will give me the time of day to see if they need any help.

[–] Mrmcmisterson@slightlyawesome.ninja 1 points 1 year ago

If it's not your experience, then I would look at your interview skills.

Are you confident when you interview? Not too confident to be cocky though, but enough that you know what you are talking about if someone were to ask a question.

Ask questions during the interview. Act interested and engaged and you will stand.

[–] andyburke@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In 10 years you haven't made any professional connections who would want to work with you again?

That is the single best avenue to other jobs: foot in the door through someone you have worked with who can vouch for your professionalism and ability.

If you're not making those connections, something is wrong. It could be the kinds of jobs you've taken, eg: if they're all solo contracts and you don't interact with anyone on anything other than deliverables. Or you are taking roles where your output is used only by a small sunset of the company or something?

If you're taking reasonable roles and have decent interaction with co-workers and no one is willing to refer you for a job, then you need to think about what your relationships are like at work and why they aren't positive enough.

[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you’re not making those connections, something is wrong. It could be the kinds of jobs you’ve taken, eg: if they’re all solo contracts and you don’t interact with anyone on anything other than deliverables. Or you are taking roles where your output is used only by a small sunset of the company or something?

Yeah, that was typically the case, unfortunately. Those were the first companies to hire me. So then I wouldn't be able to make a strong, lasting connection with anyone. There are very few previous coworkers I've managed to stay in contact with. And the ones that do have a replay rate in months.

I haven't figured out why my relationships aren't positive. I'm usually very team-oriented and dive in and solve problems, and try to uncover what my coworkers are really passionate about, so I still can't figure out why I can't "fit in."

Thanks for the encouragement, though. Good to keep in mind.

[–] Bwaz@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was a LONG time ago, but... I was an electronics tech without a job. I managed to talk to (not interview with) an executive at a company I wanted to work at but wasn't encouraged. He said something on the order of "Maybe later" and that was enough. He (or rather, his secretary) started to get calls from me every Monday and Wednesday morning right at their opening time to check whether Later might be now. Most of the time I was told he was busy. But after about a month they finally had me come in for an interview. I don't know if they were just tired of my calls or if they were impressed with my diligence. I was hired, and worked there for the next 14 years.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

I’m seconding what the other commenter had to say. Tech is a bit hard to get a job in right now, but it hasn’t been that way for 3 years. At this point it’s time to look in the mirror and see what’s going on with you to make you seem unappealing. You could also just have a very bad resume, so work with someone you know who is doing better and have them review your resume and even do a mock interview. There is no magic bullet for this, you gotta figure out why people keep passing on you. If you’re not even getting interviews, then it’s your resume. If you are, it might be your personality or interview skills. I can’t really say without knowing you.

And good luck! I think you’ll find something if you figure out whatever the road block is.

[–] Jancornwell@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think you've been very proactive in your job search, and while you've tried many strategies, it may be time to reassess and refine your approach. Sometimes, finding a job, especially at a senior level, is about timing, alignment, and presentation. Focus on tailoring your applications more specifically to the roles you're applying for, leveraging your network in a more targeted manner by identifying key decision-makers, and actively seeking mentorship from individuals within your industry. Consider reaching out to companies directly, even if they’re not hiring, to express your interest and demonstrate your value with tailored proposals. You might also want to explore contract or project-based opportunities that could transition into full-time roles. Lastly, try to maintain a positive mindset, as sometimes success comes after a period of persistence, adjustments, and learning.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know what to tell you, dude. I'm visibly disabled and have given up the idea of market rate compensation.

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've heard good things about the advice given in the Ask a Manager blog.

Maybe it's worth looking into to see if your cover letter/resume/interview skills are up to snuff, depending on where you seem to stall out in the process.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a fairly high level software engineer at a massive tech company. I only graduated college less than 7 years ago. I climbed the ladder pretty fast at a startup, then moved over to a large corporation once my title was high enough.

I got the job I am currently at by literally just applying on their website. It took a couple of months for them to get back to me, but once I got that initial email, I had an interview within a day or two, and had a job offer after about a week.

That said, this was 2 years ago when companies were desperate to find engineers. Now the economy has taken a bad turn and many companies aren't hiring engineers. I know mine isn't right now. In fact, we laid some engineers off a few months back.