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Fuck off with this class war baiting bullshit
Tech workers need to ask themselves why their boss makes more than them for doing nothing
There’s no way any substantial amount of tech workers are concerned about what UPS workers are making. These kinds of articles are rage bait targeted at “low skill” workers to make them furious at what they perceive to be high salary earners complaining about “blue collar” workers earning more money.
All of this bullshit is a distraction from the fact that the middle class is shrinking at a massive rate and the lower class is being turned against itself so nobody can rightfully blame the rich.
Fuck this article and the hatred it’s designed to generate. This is all bullshit.
"Wait, it's all bullshit?" points gun "Always has been"
It's Business Insider. What do you expect?
As one of the tech workers: fuck yeah, good for them for negotiating well, and getting what they're owed.
"This is disappointing, how is possible that a driver makes much more than average Engineer in R&D?"
Because the engineer is being exploited and refuses to unionize.
"To get a base salary of $170k you know you need to work hard as an Engineer, this sucks."
Bitch, UPS workers work harder than I ever did as an electronics engineer.
"To get a base salary of $170k you know you need to work hard as an Engineer, this sucks."
As someone who has worked as a UPS driver and now as a software developer, I can say that the UPS drivers definitely work harder than your average engineer.
That quote is also deftly ignoring the fact that you’re generally paid for the value you generate, not how hard to you work.
I'm starting to think people should be forced to have at least 1 year of experience in a, so called, blue-collar job before they are allowed to have an office job.
Ah. The anti-union propaganda has begun to stop the tech industry from unionizing, lol.
They are scared they will and with good reason. A strong union will level the playing field.
They don't have to worry too much about us tech workers unionizing because the tech world is full of more introverts on average than other (especially blue collar) fields. And a lot of us are constantly scared of getting fired or replaced.
So many of us still believe the lie that our individual hard work will be rewarded.
It's going to be a while.
I was fantasizing a bit about becoming wealthy enough to stop working, and it occurred to me that the actual best thing to do if I'm ever in that position would be to start talking with my coworkers about unionizing. Then maybe even get fired for it and sue for more money. Money I'd probably plow back into unionizing tech workers.
tech workers: i'm underpaid and everyone else should be too!
fucking unionize already. tired of this crabs-in-a-bucket mentality
I think people just don't realize how underpaid they are. They think that because they make six figures, that means they're getting paid what they're worth.
Actually what people don’t realize is what the above poster means between the lines, this is an article by big corp to make the general public angry at unionized organizations.
Some tech workers. This is just a stupid ragebait piece.
They're quoting Blund users though, Blind is a cesspool of silicon Valley tech bros. It's often just a dick measuring contest between FAANG workers about who makes more money.
Wow good for UPS workers. As a tech worker I can say I'm genuinely happy for them. They have a hard ass job. A win for labor is a win for labor, regardless of which type.
And it's not like their win is our loss. Why would we fight amongst ourselves? It's the ultra-rich we should be sizing up.
Pushing tens of pounds around in the heat everyday is hard, expecially inside a van without AC.
Let's just hope tech workers will be smart enough to unionize and organize like the UPS Chads did.
It's a good objective, but it would take a lot to make it happen. It's significantly more challenging for tech workers to effectively unionize en masse for several reasons:
Tech isn't monopsonistic, or even close to it; there isn't a single large employer... even the biggest tech companies employ only a relatively small fraction of the tech workforce. That means separate unionization efforts at thousands of big companies, not at one.
Tech job functions are much more widely varied than "delivery driver"; job responsibilities differ greatly, complexity and education requirements differ greatly, workplace expectations differ greatly ... think of the difference between help desk, front end dev, network security engineering, data science and DBA. Collective bargaining is harder the more varied the needs of the collective are.
Job mobility is really high in the tech sector ... in other words, tech employees (by and large) have access to many prospective employers (especially with the prevalence of remote work), and tech employers to a wide geographic pool of talent. That means if your San Francisco office seems on the path to unionization, you can shift work to your Chennai office.
It also means that, when the working conditions at a tech company suck, a lot of tech workers can easily jump ship. It's hard to get a union going when your voters can easily quit and go work someplace nicer, rather than take the more difficult path of staying and trying to force your employer to improve.
Again, I think highly of unions and would really like to see more effective unionization efforts in tech -- I just want folks to go into it eyes wide open and intelligently, vs throwing up their hands and saying, "Why don't tech workers unionize?"
Come on, business insider and "some tech workers"...
The idea is that unions can secure higher wages to show you it can be done. Now both union and non-union drivers can reference UPS for a salary "that reflects increasing industry averages".
Software techbros, if you think you're worth more than UPS drivers, tell your boss. If you think your boss is gonna dismiss you, then get all your co-workers who think you're worth more than 170k then get your boss to hear you out as a group. Did I hear, "you nyan eyes"?
A UPS driving job is a hell of a lot more difficult and tiring than most tech jobs. It might take less skill, but tech workers don't have to be out in the heat or freezing cold all day carrying heavy loads and dealing with angry people who blame them for a late package or, worse, get shot at for the crime of being in the neighborhood while black.
As a tech worker, I do almost jack shit and make deep into the six figures. Honestly, I'd be fine if UPS drivers made more than me, good on them.
Frankly, in terms of total compensation, pay them more.
Whenever I see a delivery driver or pole worker or whatever, especially on a shitty day, from the window of my cozy home office, the same thought crosses my mind
I see we are trying to sow some tension between working class people here eh?

We all do better when we all do better.
As someone who has only worked freight in an air-conditioned warehouse, moving boxes is not easy work and not many people will be able to do it their whole careers. I'm personally glad I argue with computers for my job now and I have much respect for those lifting things in the elements.
"A rising tide lifts all boats" is something Republicans say is impossible because God wouldn't let the liberal commie boats rise with the patriot boats.
Some tech workers on social media
This isn't fucking news! Enough of this dumb ragebait bullshit.
Omg you wouldn't believe, someone on the internet was an asshole!
I have a pro-driver pro-union UPS placard in my window and a "Unionize Amazon" sticker on my hoodie. I'm happy for UPS workers. They fought and won a much better contract. It's genuinely exciting that there's so much positive union activity in the USA right now.
This is a little misleading. It's $170k in pay and benefits, not just salary. Still, UPS drivers deserve it and this will make everyone's experience with UPS so much better.
Complaining about this is dumb. Someone else’s gain isn’t your loss. Everyone outside the top tier earners should be paid more. Period. I’m happy a union had the national stage representing UPS workers and showed why unions are important.
As someone in tech who also has a friend that works for UPS, this is amazing for them! Anything that can improve their lives is a win. UPS people who incredibly hard (regardless of how much shit I give my friend when UPS does something silly with my deliveries)
I work in tech and have enjoyed good salaries, I wish everyone was so fortunate.
As for myself, it would actually be a huge relief to know that there are many career options for me that paid just as well, because sometimes I really want to do something else. If wages had grown fairly, then a lot more people would be making 100,000+.
They earn every dollar because I would nope the fuck out of there so fast
yep
I’ll take my lower salary to sit in my home office with central air
I wouldn’t last a day as a driver with their expectations and the need to move/lift heavy packages in the heat
Tech workers have no right to be angry. Unionize or shut up. (Excluding all the supportive tech workers, including those in the comments.) Source: am a tech worker
I've never understood the idea of being mad about what another industry is making. They make more money than you? Great go put in an application. Don't want to work in that industry? Then maybe they deserve the better pay. If you truly think you are that superior to the other industry then use their pay to bargain at your own job.
If you're a nurse who's working long hours at a job that requires an education and you're getting paid the same as a McDonald's cook, don't be mad at the cook, be mad at your employer. Go to them and demand a raise, and say I could work there for the same pay, spend more time with my family and not be responsible for keeping people alive. Pay me or I'm going to peace out.
I doubt any tech workers are angry. The article is click-bait to enrage non-tech workers.
I'm a tech executive... good for UPS workers. That's what unions are for, to balance out investors' demands and get people paid fairly.
Fucking unionize then.
This reminds me of what happened at my last job towards the end of the lockdown. Previously, you started at a certain wage and increased a specific amount every 500ish hours, up to a limit. The last "raise" was only like 4 cents, but you still had to work the extra 500ish hours to get it.
Well, the company decided that they weren't paying enough to be competitive, so they suddenly raised everyone to the top rate. This put people who just started their very first job at the same pay rate as the people who had been there for multiple years. Their "solution" was to give the long term employees a one off, taxed, check for $200. To say that people were angry would be an understatement.
Personally, I think they should have just increased everyone across the board, especially after previously bragging about making record profits multiple years in a row.
IMO, when someone else makes more, it gives me room to also argue for more. Otherwise, why not go to another company that will pay it? Getting angry at the guy with the raise won't give you one. Inflation will still happen.
As a tech worker for over 25 years, I say good for them.
Hell, if my back, knees and neck weren't already fucked, I'd be damned tempted to start driving for UPS.
I'm already kind of nearing a point where a move away from tech is appealing, but even if I accept the idea of some reduction in pay, I'm at a loss for what I can do that wouldn't see me losing half my income which would just be more than I'd like to bear.
I think many people are misreading the article. The package is 170k. That doesn’t mean the driver is making 170k.
Even if they did. Good for them.
I’m glad the new trucks will get AC. I thought they was insane they didn’t have it.
I think I share the sentiment with a majority of the responses from my fellow tech workers: fuck yeah, they deserve it. Those people are out in the elements (mind you during record breaking heat waves).
They deserve every dollar of that 170k and more as I sit in an air conditioned room pushing pixels
No anger at the UPS drivers, just my employer. But I can’t exactly stop working without risking my life collapsing around me so 🙃
I was in that blind post and it was dumb. Why complain that someone else is getting more money. It's not a competition. Everyone deserves a good life
Yeah but have you sat in a UPS truck even it's parked? It just beeps non stop.
As a union electrician that's not $170k on the check. They still making like $95k a year but have benifits paid into the package. Medical, pension, 401k, etc.
TLDR article prob funded by big corporations wants general public to get triggered by unionized organizations.
Can we react more about trust fund managers and CxO salaries instead?
