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[–] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't it great how we as a society sabotage a lot of our brightest minds by saddling them with predatory debt? This definitely won't cause any issues.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't forget pointing at them for the rest of their lives and condemning them for the crime of "making bad decisions" ie trying to better themselves and prepare themselves for a fulfilling vocation that either doesn't exist or pays poverty wages (teachers, paramedics, counselors, etc, stuff decent societies actually value) in the US, all to drink in that sweet, sweet schadenfreude of the suffering of your fellow citizens.

The oligarchs used their bully pulpit of all major media that they own to train us to undermine one another, compete against one another, and root against one another so we'd never unite against our common enemy, them. This is merely the result of that, all the peasants blind after stabbing each other's eyes out, with the owners looking down at their livestock and laughing.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If you actually click through the links, it's 53% have "added a credit product" where that credit product is a bank credit card. Says nothing about their debt increasing.

So, 53% of a bunch of 20-somethings opened at least one credit card in a 3 year span when almost all commerce went online and the retail stores that remained stopped accepting cash.

Maybe there's concerning data out there but this isn't it.

[–] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Gotta spin that narrative of irresponsible kids spending money recklessly tho

[–] 0110010001100010@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I struggled to find anything in the article or linked citations that debt was added, only cards. There was a bit about mortgages and loans but I don't know how that compares to normal YOY to know if it really means anything.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

A very telling omission.

[–] arquebus_x@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It’s not just 20-somethings. I’m 50 and still have $53k in student loan debt.

[–] Countsheep@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn’t credit start the Great Depression? Seems we need to rethink credit as a whole

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, thank you, end student loans. It's just bloated the whole system while taking advantage of young naive kids who are told by public schools that if they don't go to universities, they're failures.

[–] AttackBunny@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or at least teach teenagers how it works. Interest too. Oh, and while we’re at it, taxes.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, but even more important, start teaching the social contract again, because the majority of Americans seem to take joy in the struggling and suffering of their own neighbors.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can’t believe you’re being downvoted for encouraging financial literacy.

[–] AttackBunny@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

lol. Right?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It doesn't matter. I was taught all that, it meant nothing at the time. I was quizzed on a 1040-ez, which doesn't exist anymore. Also about half the graduates could understand it in the first place, reading comprehension and mathematical literacy are shockingly low.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Because it isn't relevant. It is lecturing people on the statistics of how dangerous driving it is and then sticking their place of employment in an area where car is the only way to get to it. Just because you know how badly you are screwed doesn't make you unscrewed. Also the tone implies victim blaming which fuck that noise.

[–] Vent@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

How does pausing Student loan debt cause more credit card debt? Shouldn't it cause less because people have more money?

The first rule of financial literacy is to stay from credit card debt like the plague. Have we failed as a society to teach this?

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When your life is already irrevocably fucked for listening to what you're told for 18 years and attempting to better yourself by pursuing a vocation you're passionate about, in a country that doesn't value the most important professions like teaching, you can eat saltines in a rented room and wait to die while your fellow Americans insult you for "making bad decisions," or you can buy a nice thing with a credit card and then continue to eat saltines in a rented room waiting to die while your fellow Americans insult you.

At least with the latter you have a nice thing to die with. Sure as shit won't get any "nice" from your fellow Americans who gain pleasure from your misery.

[–] Dee@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

The first rule of financial literacy is

Not taught to most Americans, unfortunately.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I think it has more to do with why student loans were paused, the pandemic. Think of the number of people who lost their jobs and what the job market looks like now.

[–] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder if a lot of the people who had their loan payments paused also lost their jobs or had to find less lucrative employment outside of their degree specialty due to the pandemic? That seems to me like a simple explanation for why their debt would increase

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Should it, in theory yes. Did it, according to this article no.

[–] AttackBunny@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, no, no, no. You’ve got it all wrong. With the payments on pause, that meant they would never have to repay the loans. So, of course, that means go buy ALL the things.

There are probably plenty of people who got screwed by Covid, and had no choice but to pay for stuff with credit, but I’d guess a lot of people thought the pause meant it was gone.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Probably?

What is your fucking damage? Do you have the slightest inkling what it was like for parents for those two years? How about essential workers? How about you fucking redhats screaming about masks and vaccines?