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Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets
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Alexa, define "segregation"
Tbh this segregation is also stupid as well, it’s completely possible to make non-gendered bathrooms that are safe spaces. High traffic areas with to the floor stalls that are basically rooms are the best option. Low traffic areas are the issue however. But segregation is overall pretty ridiculous even for bathrooms, and implies a failure of our culture to minimize predators.
There have to be millions of restaurants, cafes and other places that already have unisex bathrooms, and apparently that's never been a problem. Weird, huh?
Exactly. The Red Rocks Amphitheater in Colorado does exactly this and it makes so much sense. Also by far the nicest bathrooms I’ve ever seen at a concert venue
Yes, but that's not an option here, because in response to a suggestion that she use a non-gendered bathroom 'she had suffered “emotional distress and mental-health effects, including thoughts of self-harm, nightmares, embarrassment, social isolation and stigma, and lowered self-esteem”' That's copied directly from the article.
Non-gendered bathrooms would appear to be the ultimate solution here, so obvs this girl's going to be majorly traumatised every time she needs a wazz in that setup.
She was being forced to use a gender-neutral bathroom in lieu of existing gendered bathrooms. Basically the administration was denying her her identity at a very basic level. It wasn't just about bathrooms, it was about allowing someone to identify as their own gender.
A gender-neutral bathroom is a solution without separate gendered bathrooms, not in concert with them.
It's basically saying "If you can't be one, we won't let you be the other, so you have to go to the weird people place to do your business". Kind of a fucked up thing to tell someone, much less a child.
Because most of them are happy to use one of the existing options you've already mentioned, it is people like you who have the problem, so why shouldn't you be the ones to be segregated?
Why do you want to other trans people?
There's alot of other ways you could have divided bathroom use but you ignored race, occupation, sexual orientation, housing status, handedness, whether they support the Yanks or the Mets, if-or-not they wear flip flops, number 1 or number 2, time since their last covid test, attractiveness, their tact when sniffed, and dick size.
Could have segregated bathrooms by any the above categories but you chose to suggest a bathroom for (presumably cisgender) Man, a bathroom for (presumably cisgender) Women, and an "Other" bathroom occupied by people who are not just not men and not women (whose absence of a space "for" them is a salient if side point) but people who very much fit within the binary categories "Man" and "Woman" but you still want separate, with the odd, ends, and enbys, from the Cis People bathroom.
Think about why it is you want a "Cis People Bathroom".
Don't even think about the invasion of genital privacy or general propriety required to effect the border you wish to erect.
Think about why this is a thing you want.
Why you want people, who have genders—which are every bit as real as yours—, to have to expel the semi-solid remains of food and wastes and toxins filtered from their blood in a separate room from you.
What is it about these people that makes their shit stink more (or less) enough to warrant their doing so separately?
Surely it's not as simple as "Their gender turned out differently than a 13-second-old genital exam told them that it should, for which they need be punished."
Respect if that's it. "Fuck Trans People." Not the way I'd go with things, but it's an ethos.
I don't think that's it, though.
You seem nice enough I doubt naked bigotry compels your actions.
You seem well-informed enough—further—to know just how expensive a "fuck you" a third for every second bathroom would be just to keep a percentage point the populace apart 'pon poop and piss.
So if it's not naked bigotry, and it wouldn't be very effective bigotry even if it was, what is it that makes you think trans people need to not be around people who aren't trans during the 15/1440 minutes a day the average ass spends on a toilet?
You and I both know they have no answer.
Why should we? Because they make you uncomfortable?
Why should we legislate what other people do based on your discomfort? They're not trying to change the way you live your life, they're not getting in your face by using a bathroom (unless you're blocking their path for some reason), they're just trying to live their life to the best of their ability. Why is that so discomforting for you?
Stalls are already “segregated.” Who cares if you have to wash your hands next to someone who looks a little different?
So who cares if I as a man go into a girls' bathroom?
Mostly republican politicians who can leverage that as a way to motivate their base.
Unless you plan on molesting people on your trip to the bathroom... should we be worried about that?
Because trans people are not a third, distinct gender. They are male or female.
Not all of them.
It was my understanding that non-binary was a separate thing outside of the typical two genders (and therefore not TRANS(itioning to the other)gender. Is going from male to nonbinary also considered being transgender (as you are transitioning to non-binary)? Genuinely curious.
Some nonbinary people also medically transition, often in ways identical to their binary transgender peers. A nonbinary person who was assigned female at birth may get a mastectomy and take a similar dose of testosterone to trans men, for example. Not all nonbinary people identify as transgender, but in general anyone whose gender does not match their sex assigned at birth can be considered transgender.
Makes sense, thanks!