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[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Do you not suggest people who are having trauma responses to every hand gesture that mimics a pinch?

I do agree that it's good for them to get help if they can, so long as there is room for them having reasons not to get help; and room for them to try other approaches to getting help (such as hanging around people who treat them well); and room for them to get help but not improve.

I think if you make the claim that men have human limitations and can't help but to retaliate or instigate, you need to hold that claim for women as well.

I agree, and I do hold that claim for women. Where I draw a hard line is creating cultural excuses and encouragement for retaliation and instigation, which I believe you have done by saying it's fine for women to intentionally instigate men to cause insult. That is no longer treating their reactions as unfortunate trauma responses; it is actively justifying and supporting their actions.

I don't expect women to be civil, but also don't think society should excuse their incivility. The same is true of men.

All this to say, from where I am standing the traumatized men are still a head here.

I'm not living their lives, and am not aware of all the media around it, so I can't say for sure. What I can say for sure is that I strongly oppose politics that try to excuse harming groups just because they're less harmed than other groups. It worsens tension and just makes society shittier for everyone involved.

But maybe I am missing a better option. If you have a suggestion, please make it.

I think we should not excuse or encourage people intentionally harming other people. If they harm other people inevitably due to their trauma, then that is regrettable but unavoidable. Rather, we should focus on creating uplifting spaces where people of all genders are brought together across divides to focus on common goals and interests. This helps humanize the other and reduce social tension.