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Israeli officials fear the pope's vocal criticisms and symbolic gestures - such as this year’s nativity scene in St Peter’s Square featuring baby Jesus resting on a Palestinian keffiyeh - may influence global public opinion.

Created by Bethlehem artists Johny Andonia and Faten Nastas Mitwasi, the nativity scene prominently features Palestinian materials, including olive wood, a symbol of Palestinian resilience.

During its unveiling, Pope Francis condemned the global arms industry for profiting from human suffering and reiterated his call for an end to all wars, urging the faithful to remember those suffering in the holy land.

The display, praised by many as a message of solidarity and peace, drew backlash from Israel’s supporters, who accused the Vatican of promoting a pro-Palestinian agenda.

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[–] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the data doesn't support your thesis. child birth graph Haredi jews are having more than double births than the average Israeli Muslim.

Combined (secular etc.) Jewish birth rate is on par (slightly higher) than Israeli Muslims and Palestinians in Gaza. (This was even before all the bullshit started last year)

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Just a correction: what you call „Israeli Muslim“ are Palestinians. Very few Palestinians identify as Israeli. The Christians in the plot are also Palestinians.

[–] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I won't argue about other people's identity, but nationality wise - if they have Israeli passport, they are Israeli in the census data.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

I wouldn't trust the ethnostate data

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Well I got this information from some Israelis I guess you’d describe as “secular Jews” so their POV agrees with their data point in your graph anyway.

Still not shown by this data though, is the birth rate in the territories. I’m not talking about Israeli Arabs and wasn’t before either. It would also help to have some sense of proportion. Haredi Jews are 13% so although their birthrate is high it doesn’t characterize Jews as a whole.

But thanks for providing at least some data here.