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Name of sodium (Na) in every European country (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 days ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to c/map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz

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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 99 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I found a reddit post why sodium and potassium have 2 names:

There was some argument over what to call the elements. They were discovered by Sir Humphrey Davy who called them "sodium" from the Latin "sodanum" for a compound of sodium used as a treatment for headaches, and "potassium" from English "potash" which was the method used to extract potassium salts.

But a German chemist, Ludwig Wilhelm Gilbert, proposed "natronium" from Neo-Latin as a reference to "natron" which is what the Egyptians called sodium carbonate, and "kalium" from the Neo-Latin of the Arabic "al qalyah" which means "ashes".

So in English they were "sodium" and "potassium", but in German they were "Natronium" (now simply "Natrium") and "Kalium".

It just so happened that the guy who invented the modern chemical symbols was Jöns Jacob Berzelius. He was Swiss and spoke German, so he derived the symbols from the German names.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jöns was swedish, not swiss.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Switzerland and Sweden aren't the same country? Well God damnit, there goes my dream vacation of visiting the home of Ikea and chocolate.
Wait, now which one of them am I supposed to refer to as Swaziland?

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is that why potassium is K on the periodic table?

And now that I think about it, sodium is Na..

Damnit, our educational system has been telling us we are wrong the whole time! Sneaky bullshit!

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Berzelius was an asshole. Antimony is Antimon* in most languages, even in German, but he chose Sb from Latin stibium

Found one more, with a similar double name, but there he used at least the German name: Tungsten (W) is Wolfram in German

[–] DontNoodles@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are also Sn (Stannous) for Tin, Pb (Plumbum) for Lead, Fe (Ferrum) for Iron, Hg (Hydrargyrum) for Mercury, Au (Aurum) for Gold and Ag (Argentum) for Silver.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Those are just the Latin names for already known elements. Not quite the same difference imo.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 days ago

That's almost as much fun as Davy pointlessly waffling between alumium, aluminum, and aluminium till we once again ended up with people who speak the same language using different terms.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In German, we also have "Pottasche" as the trivial name of potassium carbonate

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Note Asche = ash

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago

And pot=pot, so potassium is 'from the ashpot' which was how kalium salts were extracted, by adding water to wood ash, then filtering and evaporating the water off.