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[–] JWayn596@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

A core tenant of socialism is a democratized workplace, being able to vote for your wage and company policy, like an Engineer choosing when to launch the rocket instead of some MBS degree.

Last time I checked I dont think factory workers in China that make all our shit can do that.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. That was the point of what they posted. None of those groups are what they claim to be beyond nominally.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

ThAt's jUst WeSTeRnn prOpaGAndA

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

Workplace democracy isn't necessarily a core concept of Socialism, at least not in the Marxian sense. Removing the issues that come with the profit motive alleviates issues you describe. Instead, Marxists advocate for public ownership and central planning with extensive democratic controls, without necessitating competing democratic worker coops. Engels argued against such a concept in Anti-Dühring, actually, believing such a system to revert to Capitalism through competition and accumulation.