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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 36 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

Nope. Lots of stuff commonly believed by Christians isn't from the Bible. (Though sometimes they'll do a lot of mental gymnastics to assert that what they believe is from "the only reasonable interpretation" of the Bible.)

Just a few other things commonly believed by Christians not (or at least only dubiously) from the Bible:

  • The seven deadly sins
  • The nine circles of hell
  • The seven levels of heaven
  • Transubstantiation
  • The trinity

There's a surprising amount of modern Christian lore that actually comes from The Divine Comedy, the granddaddy of all ascended fanfic.

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Transubstantiation is kind of in the Bible. Matthew 26:26-28

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

The discussion of transubstantiation is just how literal "my body/blood" is.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 6 hours ago

Transubstantiation is the doctrine that it ceases being bread and wine. Which St Paul kind of debunks in his first letter to the Corinthians at Chapter 11, where he refers to it as bread.

"For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."

What you're talking about is consubstantiation, which is where the body and blood physically coexist in the bread and wine, which can be derived from the Bible.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That humans eventually become angels.

Though, there was one human who did, in an apocryphal book. And then was elevated yet again to being a second diety; there were apparently strains of Christianity which were DUOtheistic! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Matthew 20:30

"At resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."

I think that's where the sentiment comes from. It's explicit in Mormonism (I think). In mainstream Christianity the saved don't become angels, they become like angels.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

... they become like angels.

In the sense that they no longer have sexual or romantic urges, would be my reading of that passage. Angels have no belly buttons!

Yes that's the context - Jesus saying no one will be married in heaven. Either angels are asexual or they're all male. The latter is a little more likely given all angels in the bible are presented as male. Which if that's the case has weird implications for what female Christians become when they're resurrected. Some weird male equivalent? So now we're "all like the angels"?

[–] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

This is much more of a list of stuff commonly believed by Catholics, not so much by Christianity as a whole.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So is "God helps those who help themselves"

The sentiment is there though..

2 Thessalonians 3:10 "While we were with you, this we commanded you: If someone won't work, then neither shall they eat"

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The Trinity is clearly taught in the Bible. Sure, not in explicit Athanasius creed form, but Jesus even said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19).

Notice how "Name" is singular, implying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one thing, or at least equal. Jesus is referred to as God, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are also. And it's made clear that there is one God. The Athanasius Creed is just the Trinity clearly defined in a single text. Clarifying interpretation (like the Nicene Creed).

Seven deadly sins are based off of various sins listed in the Bible, but most of it has kind of been overhyped and overemphasized. It's useful for giving a rough idea of what sin is, but it's been meddled with over time.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Like watching people argue fanfic canon in here. 😅

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Minimize it all you like, but no one ever started a bloody war over "Encounter at Hotpoint". Yes, all human culture is alike in some ways. Very clever observation. I think you will find that most of the people engaged in this discussion are not even Christian. It's still significant and meaningful, if not to us personally, to the world we exist in.

This is one of the more interesting, informative and respectful discussions I have seen in a few days. Why shit on it. The age of edgy Internet atheism has passed. It's okay just to BE an atheist now. No one is coming for you. You can stop fighting.