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Trump has stated he will cut American aid to Ukraine, which makes a majority of total aid. Recently Zelensky stated that if Ukraine's only hope for sovereignty is its own nuclear arsenal, they will build it.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Only Usamericans can think that nuclear weapons are a serious option to use.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Russia and North Korea.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Depends what you mean by "use".

The Americans are the only ones to have used them in terms of destroying enemy assets (and sadly in that case it was used against civilians). But as a deterrent it's been used by a LOT of countries all around the world and is still being used for that purpose right now.

An argument could be made the Cold War could have been an all out world war if it weren't for nukes, with the short peace after WW2 be considered just a break and not the end.

I hope nukes won't be used, but Ukraine is in trouble and if they are backed into a corner and facing destruction who knows what they will do. Same could apply to Iran before long, if they have the ability to get nukes somehow, it might be their only hope. Just please let it be as a deterrent and not actual nuclear war.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-west-missile-strikes-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html

He's giving better nukes to NK in exchange for support, and there's Intel he's giving some to Iran as well.

He won't stop until he is stopped, we should have learned that by now.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was talking about the act of using it.

You must learn to distinguish between a threat and an act.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then let's threaten to nuke moscow tomorrow if he doesn't immediately withdraw.

We'll make it a really intense threat too, take all our missiles to defcon 1, deploy all our forces, have squadrons of f-22s and f-35s surrounding Ukraine and obviously tail all their borei.

"It's just a threat, bro!"

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, yes, every chess player and every really powerful man knows that the threat is stronger than the act.

Unfortunately, yours cannot be taken seriously.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because?

This is the whole russian ethos, you must give them everything they want, because they don't care.

It's like the idiot who threatens to eat his own shit, and then does it.

We get that they have less respect for themselves and peace, but we learned a long time ago that giving in to those people doesn't win peace, only more war, because you're rewarding their behavior.

It is an absolutely credible threat that we could wipe out the entire Russian armed forces with a fraction of our power, and they know that.

You honestly think they pushed so hard to get Trump in power for no reason? We are the only thing holding them back.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Because?

Because you are not the world class strategist that you seem to think you are LOL. But Putin is.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Because my country is populated by worthless inbred trash that fall for something so simple as "Hey! Look over there!"

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

MAD doctrine. And it works it seems.