You still have it easy. You won't be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won't be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.

Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

What would rioting do though besides serve as an excuse to ram in fascism

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

If it's not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people's hesitation outside Internet comments.

A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.

But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn't help. This is part of many authoritarians' playbooks.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev -4 points 16 hours ago

It will do nothing, and I personally don't think it should be done. But as a thought experiment it shows that saying other authoritarian countries' citizens that they just 'didn't riot hard enough and this are all to blame' was a bit wrong

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don't want fascism I think it's time to leave.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Technically it's not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I'll admit that's not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there's also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it's going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.

[–] blubfisch@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Let me just leave this here:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Absolutely agree. I'm only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.

If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it's dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 16 hours ago

People that didn't vote, didn't bother either way, so my point still stands.