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I feel like this is probably pretty effective. I feel like it should be a thing.

E: see also https://beehaw.org/post/16953380 E2: https://19thnews.org/2024/11/4b-movement-south-korea-social-media-trump-presidency/

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[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I feel like this is probably pretty effective. I feel like it should be a thing.

It isn't. They will simply import women from other countries. And this election alone proves the fact that all women are not a monolithic group. You're not going to get a majority to follow this trend.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 days ago

Well, Trump's tarrifs should make it cost ineffective to import women.

/s (sort of)

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It seems to have had the desired effect elsewhere. Also I'm not sure if it's required for women to be a monolithic group. This assumption is based on the gender divide in the current election. Regardless, Trump's policies are going to have a natural impact and decreasing birth rate just due to financial strain so if there are multiple factors that are impacting the numbers that's all the better right?

https://www.iar-gwu.org/blog/iar-web/south-koreas-4b

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Korea IS A monolith when it comes to a number of factors. Culturally Korea is the antithesis of "diverse".

My point is that America is nothing similar to Korea culturally to pull this off.

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well, I'm pretty sure you're right about South Korea. I don't see that as a reason not to try though. I can only hope that you're wrong about America. I appreciate the insight.

E: Even if it isn't super effective, every little bit helps.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

What common features would there need to be in order for it to work in the US? Seems that being patriarchal, traditionalist, conformist and capitalist would suffice.

[–] cicebazna@discuss.online 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The men will just start raping women, they will then force the women to marry, and then they will rape then daily. Just like some other countries.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah no. Continuing this rhetoric is exactly how the Democrats will continue to lose elections. Making vast assumptions about men and telling them there lesser is what drove away voters for the past 4 years. The vast majority of men have no desire or whim to do any of what you claim.

[–] cicebazna@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn’t need to be vast. You saw how a tiny group called MAGA got control of the government and people’s minds. You underestimate their plan. The next four years is going to be a lot of, “but… they can’t do that?!” for a lot of people.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Once again. No. What lost the democrats the win was Kamala. Biden refusing to step down earlier so proper primaries could be done (not sure why they didn't just hold primaries ANYWAY). The democrat party proved in 2020 that nobody wanted or even like Kamala (https://www.vox.com/2019/11/20/20953284/kamala-harris-polls-2020-election or lookup any poll from 2019). Her inability to actually talk about her platform (and how she'll attain her actual goals) and answer the question being asked lost her a lot too. A hard focus on issues that were not "top of mind" for the majority of the country didn't help either. Not some conspiracy that a handful of republicans are pulling the strings everywhere. People were simply unmotivated to vote for someone who couldn't answer how she'd do any of what she claimed to want to do.

Regardless of what you think the border IS a valid problem.

Now there's some magic plan? Either they're stupid or masterminds. You can't really have it both ways. Nobody is out there convincing people that women aren't human and have no rights. Stop with your nonsense.