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This is a Canadian asking about the US. Though given that crappy state of things here we could consider it as well.

If the next president isn't picked as a result of the popular vote but as a result of the system being terrible then a majority of the people of the country will have been wronged.

Instead of doing civil war about it, what if there was a mass movement to just do nothing. Everyone just grabs a chair and sits on their lawn or in a park all day and just chills out instead of working, attending events, or really participating in the economy in any significant way. Take a sick day or somthing if it helps. But anybody can do nothing.

In only a few days, maybe less, the economy whould take a massive hit. Just everyone sits around untill a fair election is called without any electoral college or first past the post nonsense.

Obviously there's huge challenges to this. Like finding an end condition everyone can agree on. Also getting a representative to ensure the demands had been met. the huge wave of firing, threats, and violence from the other side whould probably have some effect. But the other side is a minority, and could be overwhelmed.

So if big enough, could it work?

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[–] Seigest@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That whould typically involve unions. No need for them here though.

Unions are great for a lot of things but they'd be less inclined to help on this as they, don't all support the same parties, and probably dont want their workers to violate any contracts as it would damage future negotiations.

I think isn't a matter of labour and would be stonger without unions. It needs to be from the people.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

It is a general strike, what you are suggesting. Whether you like the name or not.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don't need a union to strike, you can self organize and just do it

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think the word for workers self-organizing and advocating for their cause is... Union(izing).

I mean there might be some other connotation to the word in US politics. But I think that's pretty much the definition of the term.

[–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think they mean their "current union". You're right, of course, that they'd basically be forming a new union 😄 but I don't know if it would be recognised in US law

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I don't think recognition by law is super important to that cause. I mean it's not like they're part of the system in that way. On contrary, they do illegal things like ask people not to come to their workplace. They threaten employers, demand change like workplace safety, ... And employers don't listen to them because they're required to by law, but because their production will grind to a halt if they don't. So ultimately a workers union just needs to be backed by the workers, or at least a good amount of them. That aside, we of course need some structure to things, so legistation might help. But it's not strictly necessary. And I don't think it even started like that. It's mainly a means to get heard, because a single individual can be f*cked over more easily than an organized group of people. Everything else is just details.

But I really like OP's idea. It's nothing new, just re-inventing what we already had in the late 1800s. And it already proved to be an option. And is in use in other parts of the world.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Adding to what the other two said, unions are supposed to be a way of the people to exert power, not just get better contracts. In less self-destructive countries unions organize for political causes all the time.

[–] Seigest@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Ah perhaps I'm not used too that where I am. I appreciate unions truly, and belive we need more. But the ones I've been in have been nearly as corrupt as the politicians. Often run by the retired and wealthy making decisions on behalf of those still working. Often bad ones.