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You're comparing two different scenarios. Let's say you have two cups, one is made out of paper and the other is made of glass. They're 6 feet off a concrete patio. Wind isn't an issue.
Let them sit forever, and the paper one will disintegrate long before the glass does. Tip them over, and the glass one will shatter.
Nice fantasy you’ve got there. Funny how you specifically call out ‘no wind’. While the poster you’re deriding isn’t making up fantasy scenarios and is going by real world actual implications. Are people buying their cars to hide them in garages and never use them.
My point is, something can be more durable but also more fragile. The original article was talking about the durability, and the original commenter couldn't comprehend that because of an entirely different variable that was never part of the original point.
What on earth are you talking about?
Part of the car ownership and life is driving and using it.
If neither of them was driven or used then ICE still wins. What do you think happens to batteries if you let them sit and completely discharge?
So sitting in a garage unused = expressive electric brick. For ICE that's a car that can be restored in some way
Using them on the roads and getting damage to the battery pack = a write off for an electric car. The level of damage needed to write off an ICE car is much higher. They're much more repairable.
Yes theoretically an EV should outlast an ICE but in the real world they won't at the moment.
This is backed by the much higher insurance costs for EVs.
I didn't mean "sitting in a garage not getting used", I meant "getting used, but not getting in an unpredictable accident"
Accidents are an additional variable outside of what the original article is talking about
Ah so you're still talking about some hypothetical situation where EVs get used but don't have to deal with real world driving issues.
Yes in that very specific hypothetical situation an EV may outlast an ICE. However the ICE is getting no damage either in this world. So who can say.
However Renault saying they will last longer than ICE because the batteries aren't aging as badly as they thought is still completely untrue. Far more issues with long term EV ownership than just battery age.
When we have some 20 year plus EVs with hundreds of thousands of miles on them still driving around then maybe that will be true.
Would you care to elaborate and show a reasonably credible source backing up whatever you think is such a big problem?
Ah so now it's elaboration and credible sources.
I'm already one up on this with an article from the FT about insurance costs being higher due to the increased likelihood of an electric car write off.
How about some actual evidence they're more reliable? Other than your bizarre hypothetical arguments.
Here's a couple just off the top of my head that I can't be bothered to get links for.
Tied to the dealer. There's very few independent EV garages. 95% of the time you'll have to take the price for any repair they offer you. You can't shop around.
Complexity. Although they often use the "one moving part" argument with all the extra infrastructure for charging etc they can have very bespoke electric parts. Which means no simple of the shelf pattern parts that are as good for much less. Dealer parts only.
Delay in these parts. There just isn't enough of a parts infrastructure at the moment. This can even cover simple things like lights or trim.
Not enough technicians.
An ICE vehicle left in a garage when petrol in it will have significant issues after a time. The fuel will oxidize and turn to varnish, ruining the fuel pump and valves. Repair can be quite expensive, depending on how thoroughly gummed up things get.
Yes it will but it will always be significantly cheaper to repair. Since 40% of the cost of an electric car is the battery even minor damage to those means that repair is just not viable.