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How is abstaining from killing a living being extreme? I'm not saying you're not part of the natural world, I'm not saying I'm not part of the spiritual world by not eating animal-derived products. There's more to spirituality than killing animals.
And comparing people to lions is silly. A lion is dependant on meat by nature of their being. Humans, by their very nature, have volition and are able to do without eating meat. Animals rape and kill their young - should we do that too? Bar saying that being omnivorous means that we're fine without meat regardless.
I think there's something to be said about hunting. I still wouldn't support it 100% but it's "better" than factory farming, sure. Still no reason to kill other than convenience, supposed heritage or convenience. It just shows a lack of empathy towards other living beings is the way I see it.
You do you, in the end. No offense meant
What's the moral basis of your ethical argument? Is it simply that all living beings deserve to live, or is it about preventing harm/pain?
The question is pretty simple when it's asked about something like a mammal, but less so when you ask about something like a krill. Why does a krill have the same ethical weight as a mammal, and why wouldn't that same moral imperative be applied to something like a mushroom?
Both are living beings, to our best knowledge both krill and mushrooms lack the ability to sensate pain as we understand it. Both can respond to stimuli in a way that tries to negate bodily harm.
I don't eat meat because of my own beliefs, but I often see vegans propose that veganism isnt based on a belief system, rather that it's logically conclusive. There are just too many internal contradictions for that to be true.
For example, as someone who grew up on farms..... I think everyone would be surprised to know how many animals are killed collecting something like corn. I've spent more time than I would like clearing thousands of dead frogs from screens of combine harvesters. In my experience if every life is ethically similar, than something like hunting causes a lot less harm than harvesting an acre of corn or wheat.
Here's our belief system: don't kill or hurt animals as much as is possible.
We don't need to theologize and systematize our ideology because it's a movement with very little requirement to be part of.
There are whole foods plant based people, there are vegans who eat fun junk food (that's not a judgment statement BTW). There are people from all over life who woke up one day and thought about their life choices. There really are not many other requirements than don't exploit animals or consume them or their products.
Right, but by what is the ethical delineation between say a krill and a mushroom?
What is the difference between lesser evolved animals and highly evolved plants or microbes?