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I mean, the Phoenix movie was the first joker movie, but I get what you mean.
And I'd say they have all been good.
Ledger was amazing in the role, bringing the "agent of chaos" Joker to its ultimate form.
Keoghan barely made an appearance, but I think he carried it well.
Then there's Leto. Controversial to be sure. But, imo, he carried the role he was hired to play. And it works, within that context. The movies themselves weren't great (even the Snyder remix was meh, and calling that a joker movie isn't accurate), but the joker inside those movies worked. And, I would even say it takes a batshit crazy narcissist like Leto to play the Joker that was written in the suicide squad and Harley movies.
But, I wouldn't argue with anyone that disagreed. I'm fine with saying those movies sucked as joker movies.
Now, I don't know if you include the animated options or not. But Mark Hamill kills in that role. Utterly brilliant voice acting.
If you go back, which I don't think you meant since you said Nicholson was the last good joker, Romero was perfect for the era, and was in the one movie from then.
Even if you discount my opinion on Leto, and ignore the animated stuff, you're left with Ledger and Phoenix, who both owned the character in their own way.