By recognizing it's not winnable without full-scale NATO mobilization and therefore we should stop sabotaging peace talks and just get a deal done so we can stop throwing Ukranian men into the meat grinder?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, western Europe is doing its thing. It's electing fascists like Putin to create even more such wars. It's the preferred alternative to Socialism for neoliberals, conservatives and social-democrats anyway

[+] Funkytom467@lemmy.world -9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Western Europe getting involved could be so much worse.

Let's remind ourselves you fight for your country, we on the other hand have nuclear weapons and rising fascism all over...

So in account of humanity thanks for keeping Russia's shit out.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

FYI, I'm not Ukrainian. I'm Romanian. We have more skin in the game than Germany or France though. If Ukraine falls, Moldova falls 24 hours later, and allowing our brother country to go back under Russian domination is pretty unthinkable.

Even without that existential issue, allowing democratically minded Europeans trying to walk the same path we walked 25 years ago get invaded by Russia without as much help as we can give them seems horrific to me.

[–] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

To be clear i agree.

I do feel for the Russian people that will suffer Putin's decisions, but i personally wouldn't concede one bit of Ukrainian soil to that fucker.

I wish my country was helping. That said, as a French without any skin in the game, let me tell you we don't even have skin in our own games. (If you followed any news of us you know)

It's not like any of us are ever being asked what to do. And I do genuinely fear our so called democracies are gonna implode. And when they do, diplomacy with Russia will get bad for everyone.