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Governor Gavin Newsom has signed California's "click to cancel" Assembly Bill 286 into law to make it easier for consumers to opt out of subscriptions. The bill, introduced in April 2024, forces companies that permit online or in-app sign-ups to allow for online or in-app unsubscribing as well.

"AB 2863 is the most comprehensive ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation in the nation, ensuring Californians can cancel unwanted automatic subscription renewals just as easily as they signed up — with just a click or two,” said California Assemblymember Pilar Schiavo.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm on about the fact that the federal government is so weak that this is the sort of state-to-state bullshit people have to put up with.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's literally how the government was designed though. Do you believe that there should be a Constitutional amendment to protect porn and ease of subscription cancellation? I agree that the system is flawed, but a win here deserves to be celebrated even though there was a loss somewhere else.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is the company in question national or local to CA only? This is the defining line for laws like this. If a company cannot be distinguished from the services it provides in CA vs any other state then the laws of one state should influence all others since the company is not different between states. Unless they create a different website for each state then they will have a hard time verifying if a user really is from CA and be able to apply the law.

I could be visiting CA and sign up for something while there. My address is not CA, my billing address is not CA, I could be using a VPN connected to my home. But I am physically in CA and signed up for Planet fitness online. Now whose laws protect me? CA or my home state?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reading the law, it looks like it applies if either the business or consumer is in California.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ok but in a new situation, I signed up online while in CA. Now I am back home and forgot to cancel. How does one go about using the CA law to cancel? The website might have a link that says "CA residents click here" but what if it does a check and you can't prove by one click you were there in CA when you signed up? These laws then get really tricky to implement. Hence why these kinds of laws that affect national companies should be national laws. Interstate commerce makes it almost impossible to have state laws for this kind of thing.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If neither you nor the business are in California, the law does not apply.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not what I said. My original scenario applies. You sign up while physically in CA but you are not a CA citizen and used a VPN. But forgot to cancel while physically in CA. The company is national.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your original scenario was that you were in CA when you signed up. Now you are not in California, right? If neither you nor the business are in California, the law does not apply.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why is that? If you get stabbed in one state but end up in another before reporting the crime the jurisdiction of the crime falls to where the crime was committed not reported.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

When you leave the state, you are no longer a consumer in CA, therefore they do not have to offer you the CA cancellation.

Also, I'm pretty sure this is a civil matter, not criminal.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

for things to work out that way, the states would have to mutually accept such arrangements as valid. california cannot directly impose such laws vs other states but only can influence companies to apply it company wide.

basically some agreement has to be made in order to universally do it elsewhere, for example drivers licenses and marriage agreements are automatically acknowledged between states, even if a requirment for them or something related to it were to be illegal(e. g gay marriage) in a state. this mutual agreement doesnt apply to all laws.

[–] pory@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

There is a constitutional amendment that protects porn though. The first. What's changed in Texas isn't porn's legality, but restrictions on distribution (though yes, Texas's law is useless and completely misunderstands the internet's dynamics)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You do know there can be federal laws without requiring a constitutional amendment, yes?

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sarcasm is not lended to text very well. Can you understand that a state that makes a good law is a good thing and that nuance exists.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't know why you're being downvoted because it's true. California signing this into law is great, I do hope this can reach the federal level though.

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd guess they are being downvoted because they started an absolutely meaningless argument, and now keep dragging it on.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

100% par for the course with that commenter too. It's an absolute waste of time engaging with them.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 12 points 1 month ago

Sign up in Texas, drive to California and fail to cancel with one click, sue.

But I agree with you, we need something like the GDPR on a federal level.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

If only there there were a way we could change that…. Hmmm.