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Chicken or the egg?
I look at it as a Mexican standoff. The protest left voter is not going to win this Mexican Standoff because the Dems have an out, to go for the center voter. Which is a voter that actually shows up. The leftist has no alternative. Bemoan the two party system if you want, but there is no alternative.
When the left doesn't show up, Dems just go to the center even more.
Democrats past center decades ago. Harris' acceptance speech was full fledged right wing
Call it whatever you want, when they lose they will go to where the votes are. They have an out in this Mexican Standoff. You don't.
And as they go to where the votes are, republicans, they should be abandoned by left leaning voters.
Depends if you want to stop them from going center. They will go where the votes are. When you don't vote, you tell them to not do anything left ever. "Don't bother with us, there's no support over here!" Congrats, it's the biggest self own ever.
I'm going to vote Harris in Nov, but I think the perception by many on the left (including me) is that when Harris wins they won't go "good thing the left/progressive faction helped us win despite not being in lockstep with our policies because they understand how detrimental a Trump presidency will be" - they will instead go "Look at this clear mandate delivered at the ballot box. Harris' policies are overwhelmingly popular, there is no need to push for a more progressive platform."
And frankly, that's exactly what I think will happen, so I'm voting Harris, but I'm doing so knowing that I'll die of old age before there's someone like Bernie with any chance of winning again. (and that person will probably get fucked by corporatist/centrist Dems just like Bernie did anyhow)
Again, what was the thanks that Obama got for the ACA? He lost for the next 6 years. Fucking thanks huh.
What was Biden's thanks for all his work? Lost the house. Fucking thanks huh.
That's why they need consistent victories. Not 2 years every 16 fucking years.
Frankly, they do left things in spite of the left never showing up. And they pay for it every time.
I can only cast my own vote, that's how this whole thing works. Not sure how responsible I feel for whatever you are trying to smear on me.
I responded to your "perception". That was quite the rant and rave that yes demands a response.
I find it funny that you felt that was a rant. Buhbye now.
It's funny that you think that wasn't a rant you went on. It was quite an impressive one. Ciao.
Why are you utilizing collective guilt in your argument?
If that's what you want to call what happened, that's you. This is what happened.
You're blaming an individual for the actions of a group that they are not a part of and did not participate in. That's collective guilt
No I'm not blaming the individual, I'm saying the group. The group that doesn't show up. Like where in that message did I specifically say him the specific individual user. And I'm saying what literally happened, you're trying to change this to guilt of some kind or other.
I seem to have a lot of messages from you that focus on frankly weird and/or incorrect pedantry. I'm out.
"And/or" is grammatically incorrect. It should be "or" because "or" does not preclude the possibility of both being present
Like way to show you're being weirdly pedantic. [Slow clap.]
They don't need to pander to centrists because they will vote for them regardless of what they do. So as they move further and further to the right pandering to Republicans, the DNC sees that as a mandate to shift further to the right.
As long as centrists keep rewarding bad behavior they will keep moving the Overton Window
Uh no they won't. That's what makes them centrists. Centrists will change their votes. That's what makes them centrists.
DNC sees that as a mandate? May I remind you they are going to where the voters are. You have cause and effect mixed up.
Guess what the Overton Window would have been if Gore had won? Way further left. Guess what the Overton Window would have been if Hillary had won? Again, further left. Leftists protest voting is quite literally the biggest self own in history.
Trying to imply that Hillary would have been more left is absolutely ridiculous.
Hilary vs Trump. Hmmmmmmm. Which one is more left? Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.
Did things go of the deep end on the right with Trump? Hmmmmmm. Hmmmmm.
It's a tossup. They are both firmly right wing
Oh yes. After Trump's win, the right is now talking quite seriously about disbanding federal agencies like the EPA, FTC, DOE, etc. But they're totally the same. Yup. Absolutely the same. The Overton window on the right certainly didn't go off a cliff when Trump won. /s just in case.
If you can't see the difference you are willfully blind. Ciao.
If and when that happens, Democrats will do absolutely nothing to replace those agencies once they come back into power.