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I saw this discussion in the comment section of some post, and it was about what the vote should be used for and how there is no official guideline for how to use it. I thought this was such a good question, that it deserved a post of its own. Related question would be if there should be multiple scores with different meanings, through which posts can be sorted.

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[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I could work, if you encourage the correct usage and educate your users about it. Also, a better user interface should communicate the intention and meaning.

Humans are just as often driven by emotions as they are logic, if not more. It doesn't really matter whether you design a perfect system or not, if it doesn't account for human behavior.

A quick look at how language evolves, the history of human behavior, how people will regularly vote against their interests, or any other plethora of examples out there of humans being human and you should realize that even when you give a vote a very specific label such as "malicious content" people will still use it to convey any negative emotion as well as use it to control what others say or as an emotional reaction to the content of a message.

The best you can get is an approximation, and you have to understand that people will ultimately use the system differently than you expect or designed them to.

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I agree with everything you said. But for me, it's an argument FOR trying to create an useful system for everyone, instead of not trying. We all would have benefits.

It doesn’t really matter whether you design a perfect system or not, if it doesn’t account for human behavior.

I agree. That's why the system should account for that, which is the core of the reason for the system. It's not something that should exist "despite" human behavior. It should exist because of it. For me, this is the reason for the system.

The best you can get is an approximation, and you have to understand that people will ultimately use the system differently than you expect or designed them to.

Some people will ignore the information. But if we come up with a good and clear user interface, and the rules are simple and actively encouraged and explained, then hopefully more and more people will use it - and create a benefit for everyone.

Reddit sadly didn't do that - for their benefit, because they sell data, and gut reactions and one-liners are worth more than informed and well written discussion.

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

Fair enough, I thought you were arguing that it could be perfect and was just offering a word of caution. I agree these systems can be improved upon, and should.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah agree, it's just the usual case of capitalism perverting technology (or really, mostly everything it touches, commodification is really tragedy).