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[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Amicchan@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is like Hitler thinking that "The German-Soviet war must end with LibEraTinG SiBeRiA".

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's a weird comparison, since Russia took Crimea from Ukraine after a covert invasion and sham election. Wouldn't it be more like Czechoslovakia saying that it would take back Sudentenland from Nazi Germany? After all, Russia is invading with the excuse of protecting ethnic Russians.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sham election? the majority of Crimea is Russian! It was given to Ukraine under soviet administration for easier logistical coordination. This isn't proof of some divine right over ukraine. Any proof it was a sham election besides bluster? they had it like 3 times

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The guy is a billionaire with properties in Florida. He's just a western puppet overseeing the destruction of Ukraine, once it's all over he'll flee to the states and live in comfort.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He is not a billionaire. He's wealthy from his comedy show, but that's not enough to catapult him into the billionaire class.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I read the whole article and it never comes close to claiming that Zelensky is a billionaire. Feel free to quote if I missed something.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if it said it directly you would be making a show of saying its some sort of "russian propaganda"

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would have been a little extra wary because that's a big claim, done some due diligence, and concluded that they're almost certainly trustworthy. They don't seem to have any agenda besides their stated anti-corruption agenda.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Actually, it's pretty easy to see that they do have an agenda because they practically never expose western elites. If you look at the numbers, it's overwhelmingly focused in countries the west considers to be adversaries.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pandora papers show that offshore companies of Zelensky and his team have received huge sums from offshore companies associated with Kolomoisky since 2012, when the Kvartal 95 studio started cooperating with the businessman’s 1 + 1 television channel. Ukrainian oligarchs, such as Rinat Akhmetov, Viktor Pinchuk, Igor Kolomoisky have also funded this guy. While Pandora papers don't give an actual number, given how long this has been going on, it's not an unreasonable estimate of his wealth. However, even if he's not a full on billionaire, the guy is both incredibly corrupt and filthy rich.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're moving the goal posts there. Now it's okay to just guess at numbers, and holdings as part of what is apparently a successful comedy studio he founded are self-evidently corrupt?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right that there isn't a number available for his wealth, so it has to be inferred from what's publicly known. However, it's quite obvious that Zelensky is utterly corrupt. Even the Guardian admits that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe. It would be absolutely fantastical that a person who is not corrupt somehow ended up in a position of power in Ukraine. The fact that Zelensky has direct ties to the oligarchs and offshores assets as Pandora papers show is direct proof of corruption.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It would be absolutely fantastical that a person who is not corrupt somehow ended up in a position of power in Ukraine.

Why not, especially given his platform was anti-corruption? Look, I don't have Zelensky's finances in front of me, I just don't like accusations without a solid basis. I especially don't like them against a man who is the constant target of propaganda from the Russian state and non-state actors.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

bruh every politician's platform in the history of forever has been anti-corruption, and no liberal politician has done a single fucking thing about it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

These accusations, and facts of his corruption as published in the leaks, were well known before the war started. Trump ran on a campaign of draining the swamp and reducing corruption. Using this logic would mean he's a straight shooter too.

Dismissing everything that doesn't fit the western narrative as Russian propaganda is not rational.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

obviously not from comedy, but from being a lackey of the west

sellouts get paid well