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I mean, it's not very cool if the good people living here have to suffer for it. Wishing for collapse isn't progressive or leftist - it's just defeatist.
Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist. In fact, you objectively can't be considered leftist if you support anything about the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist US system. There are zero redeeming features about our nation. It should die.
I'd prefer gradual reform over collapse. Less shocking to our culture/economy that way I think.
Yeah well gradual reform is right-wing liberal propaganda that makes marginalized groups suffer even more for our own privilege. It doesn't work.
Just to be clear if you had a magic button that would result in guaranteed gradual reform if you pressed it. And not pressing it would result in collapse.
You would press the button, right?
Liberals themselves have told me:
We are a "first past the post" electoral system. That alone should disillusion you of hope for any change through voting.
Biden is "the most progressive president we've ever had." This is probably sadly true, which again shows that anyone who cares about marginalized groups should hope for the collapse of such an outrageously atrocious system.
Collapse is best. We should work towards collapse.
Edit: Autocorrect sucks donkey ass
i don't think the left wing is best positioned to take power if there was a collapse
i think a collapse would bring the us significantly more right wing
It's never how it works. See, we get a century or so of dictatorships, with each new guy overthrowing the previous and promising to be better, and failing to be.
Somewhere along the line (because for some reason we won't do this in advance) intellectuals will in secret start developing some rules for a public-run government (democracy or sortition are popular), but no political leader or revolutionary leader will be actually willing to try them (because they like the power), until absolutely everyone is tired of the wars and coups because absolutely everyone has close friends and relatives they had to put into the cold ground.
And then the new Communist / Socialist / Anarchist / Whatever United States will rise, since the point is to be able to change the rules without someone shooting someone else.
Which is what happens when either the legislature, executive or courts collapse into corruption and seize power. The four boxes of liberty are a warning the first three (soapbox, ballot box, jury box) are all that keep the ammunition box closed and unused.
And see the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist China and Russia rise to wreck the world as they see fit just like how USA do? How very leftist of you.
How is it different when the USA does it?
A true anti-fascist opposes the acts, not the nation.
Nationalism is fascism.
No different, Just like hiding behind leftist agenda while pushing your anti-us one is no different than the right-wing trying to hide their fascism while pretend to do it for the people. Also you get someone who's not even trying to hide their intention if US collapse.
"Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist." - 16 upvotes, 0 downvotes.
And y'all wonder why people don't take the left seriously.
Hi friend, you seem to be* confused. Blahaj has downvotes disabled, so the count is almost always going to be zero. The only downvotes you may potentially see come from your own server.
I know in this case you might be upset that this person has 0 downvotes, but the reason Blahaj has them disabled is because bigots often use them to shutdown, and try and hide, trans people's comments and posts. Even when they are not saying anything controversial.
"The reason people support genocide, fascism, and capitalism is because of posts on 196" -You
The right was never going to support anti-fascism regardless of what the left does or says.
Yeah. And asinine.
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And op is saying some shit about just giving governing to natives, but those would be the first people to suffer hard in a collapse. They just want people to hurt.