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I'm feeling so uneasy with everything I've been seeing. I keep thinking about what we will be this time next year, and if shit hits the fan, what is your plan? I'm queer and was politically active in 2020, so I would potentially be considered a political enemy.

The only blueprint I can think of is what you do in an active shooter situation; Flee, Hide, Fight.

I know there's that romantic notion of "don't be a coward, get out and protest", but I remember the brutality of the 2020 protests firsthand, and even then I thought "thank god I'm going toe to toe with the CPD and not the CCP". Next time is going to be different. The president now has authority to send drone strikes. Protests and riots don't stand a chance agains missiles and live rounds.

Flee- I have an Uncle in Montreal who my family could potentially use as a way to at least temporarily escape the chaos. The hope I'd have is that Canada and other countries would accept American refugees, however that's not a guarantee.

Hide- If borders are closed, lay low and move away from major cities if possible. If civil war breaks out, try to get away from the violence even if you think your side will win. Todays losers may be tomorrows victors.

Fight- If cellular data/ social media algorithms can keep track of you, and surveillance can make sure there's no movement, this would be the last resort of desperation. I guess if possible try to either find a group for safety in numbers, or conversely go guerrilla as groups of resistance would make easy targets.

Sorry my mind is running and I'm getting scared.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The people carrying out those acts are also not legally immune like the president is.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

True, but he can pardon them easily.

If they refuse, they can be replaced with yes-men who will.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He can only pardon for federal crimes "atm" so if he drone strikes on state land the state can prosecute.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also true. But, like, what are the states going to do about a mad king who's federally untouchable?

I'm trying hard to not be an alarmist (mostly for my own mental health), but it's not just that the floodgates are open; the dam has burst and we're all downstream.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Get thee to an armory

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Watch as the Supreme Court use the supremacy clause to counter act this. If they've already reached this far, I don't think that's a lot further to reach

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They may or may not be pardoned. Trump has a well established history of stiffing employees, screwing over allies, and throwing anyone under the bus whenever he thinks it will suit him.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

His history of stiffing / screwing over / bus throwing aside, I don't for one moment think he won't pardon someone who has been loyal to him. Not as long as it doesn't cost him any money or cause his ratings to drop.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He already didn't pardon people who were loyal to him but ok...

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm referring more to big fish like Bannon, but I'm curious who you mean (besides the J6 mob).

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I don't know, his own children? Cohen? C'mon man...

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

His wretched kids have never needed a pardon, though, right? They've just been investigated and/or asked to testify, but nothing that would require a pardon. I guess he could have tried preemptively pardoning them, but I don't think it ever got that far for any of them.

Cohen identified Trump (aka Individual-1) when he was on trial for fraud re: the hush money payments (which led to the 34 felonies Trump was just convicted of). Trump is definitely not going to pardon him after that.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You think his kids haven't committed crimes? I have a hard time believing that.

He did that after Trump left him hanging out to dry. If you're skeptical, go read about Trump's past and you'll see how frequently and remorselessly he betrays people. He's kind of famous for it.

Or don't, kinda seems like you made up your mind before we started talking.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nope. But they can be pardoned for those acts by the prez

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Can and will aren't the same thing, Trump throws his own people under the bus all the time and has a well established history of fucking over allies and stiffing employees, never mind not pardoning tons of people who committed multiple crimes to try and protect or serve him.

Not exactly the behavior that instills loyalty.