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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 84 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing

Imagine saying that after Obama flipped a bunch of red states and brought in a shit ton of down ballot races.

AOC is polarizing, but not as much as Obama and it's easier the second time around.

Hell, no body even really mentioned Biden being Catholic in 1988. You should have seen the shit they said about JFK. And similar time-frames passed between.

And strictly police wise, the country is a lot more open to progressive policy than in 08, and again, everyone said Obama was too "polarizing" right up till election results.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I will vote for her so hard given the chance. Unfortunately, I'm still just one vote. I want to agree with you, but I'm not sure I can. I'd sure love to see her give it a real run, with a DNC that supporter her and didn't drag her to the center or actively undercut her primary chances.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's because Obama was polarizing, but he sold himself as progressive convincingly

He literally ran on the promise of change - unfortunately his actions were firmly neo liberal, and he prioritized compromise over meaningful reform

If Obama was a neo liberal in progressive clothing, Clinton was a diehard neo liberal from top to bottom.

Unfortunately, the lesson learned was "people don't like Hillary" rather than "people want a real progressive"

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

I don't understand your point... Obama won two presidential elections in a row. It would seem as though that "selling himself as a progressive convincingly worked out pretty well for him id say.

So you're saying that the people want a progressive candidate, but the Dems would, at most, give us the option of someone who sells themselves as progressive but is an actual neo-liberal?

Oh, maybe I do get it after all. I was going to say that Gore was pretty progressive and did technically win, but that was 25 years agola