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Gov. Ron DeSantis gave no explanation for zeroing out the $32 million in grants that were approved by state lawmakers.

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Leaders of arts organizations in Florida, many of whom have worked in the state for decades, cannot remember a governor ever eliminating all of their grant funding. Even in the lean years of the Great Recession, at least a nominal amount — say, 5 percent of the recommended total — was approved.

Established arts organizations usually know better than to overly rely on nonrecurring state dollars subject to the discretion of politicians, said Michael Tomor, executive director of the Tampa Museum of Art. But to cut funding at a time when arts organizations are still struggling to recover from the coronavirus pandemic sends a concerning message “that taxpayer dollars should not be used in support of arts and culture,” he added.

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Mr. DeSantis, a Republican, gave no explanation for zeroing out the arts grants. His office said in a statement that he made veto decisions “that are in the best interests of the State of Florida.”

In all, Mr. DeSantis vetoed nearly $950 million in proposed spending and proclaimed that the remaining $116.5 billion came in under the previous year’s budget.

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[–] Marthirial@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Florida and her meatball will be textbook evidence of a failed state swallowed by the Ocean and drowned by social conservatism terrorism.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

failed state swallowed by the Ocean

Not for another 40-150 years. By then local politics will have shifted substantially in the state, and future external fascists can claim Florida was destroyed for being too brown, woke, and gay.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Florida woke and brown? Half the state literally needs to take a nap, and the only brown is in their Depends.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Florida has one of the highest Latin and African American populations in the country. They just aren't allowed to vote.

And over half of the under 18 population of Florida is non-white. In another twenty years it will be majority minority.

By the time to state is fully fucked by climate change, you're going to see reactionaries in the Midwest having a field day saying the state failed because it turned into "Detroit" wink wink nudge nudge

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Detroit failed because of automation and off-shoring. Things that could have been repaired or prevented politically, sure. But not directly caused by policies based in bigotry and ignorance.

If any correlation can be made, it's from white-flight. Which would be caused by Detroit's massive loss of jobs and Florida's massive loss of land. But white flight, imo, is the reaction, not the catalyst, of its downfall.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Detroit failed because of automation and off-shoring.

That's the mechanism behind why it failed, but not the reason for the policy. Automation and off-shoring were tools intended to re-segregate and depress the wealth of the working class. Once the city sufficiently shocked into collapse, financial investment came flooding back into the city in the form of foreclosure sale purchases and low-wage service sector expansion. The modern city is seeing the first population expansion it's enjoyed in decades, but with an enormous new disparity in income and political organization between the richest and poorest residents. Dan Gilbert, the co-founder of the largest private mortgage lender in the US - Quicken Loans (now Rocket Mortgage) - owns enormous swaths of the downtown district and has his talons in a host of municipal and state political figures.

He's revitalized the city with enormous amounts of public money, laundered into private profits, through the private lending racket. And he's used the depressed wages and real estate values in the town to reap huge margins on the cost of labor, relative to more traditional finance centers like New York or Dallas.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

This sounds like social regressivism rather than terrorism.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Might be that they will, but for now they are doing very well on an objective scale, beeing placed on #1 for education and economy compared to the other states and beeing on #9 overall.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/florida

If this is able to hold will remain to be seen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

#1 for education

This is the same Florida where the governor has already gotten rid of some AP courses and has suggested getting rid of them completely, right?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/02/14/desantis-florida-ap-courses-college-board-feud/11250682002/

This is also the same Florida that now teaches children that black people learned useful skills when they were slaves, right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Sounds like pretty low bar.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Well he's already axing that 1% in education by cutting all the arts funding. Science will probably be next.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That is one sketchy ranking if I ever saw one.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

OP is being dishonest about it too. It's #1 for higher education in Florida, #10 for K-12. And I'm not sure where they get #10 from because it looks like it's marginally above average based on their own numbers.

In fact, as far as I can tell, their whole metric for #1 is because Florida college students end up in less debt than in other states. And that is great, don't get me wrong, but not exactly the best education metric.

It's a bit silly that Florida ranks above states like Massachusetts and California when it comes to higher education. I don't know that any Florida university comes close to Harvard or CalTech. Cheaper, sure. A better quality education? I doubt it.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Same for economics. Their metrics are slightly above average, how is that #1?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I hadn't even looked into it after seeing how bogus the education numbers were, but that also doesn't shock me.

It also occurred to me that their main metric for K-12 education was high school graduation rate and since there's no national education standards, that can mean different things for different states. The other metric was a math score based on something I've never heard of, but it was not a test my 14-year-old here in Indiana has taken yet and it's not the SATs.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And part of their education score is "citizens holding degrees" which... That's not education, that's attainment rate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And a lot of those citizens are retirees from other states who can afford to retire in Florida. So of course they're more likely to hold degrees.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

"Your education system is better because it has a lower percentage of school age children"

Brilliant

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

It’s a bit silly that Florida ranks above states like Massachusetts and California when it comes to higher education

The quality of education in these states varies radically by zip code and regional average income.

In California, the local school board superintendent Joseph Komrosky lost a recall election for trying to ban critical race theory (a thing his district wasn't formally teaching) on campuses, among other shady bullshit. But his ilk isn't unusual in the right wing fruit basket of SoCal or the Techbro patriarchy infesting the Stanford campus.

Education in these states can be better. But it can also be right in line with the Florida reactionary crowd, and for the same reasons. This is a national project by American plutocrats to brainwash the next generation of young people.

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A short boost from tax breaks to convince rich people to move there doesn't make the place financially successful or livable. It just looks better for a bit.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The category is a bit wider than that, but yes, low taxes seem to contribute.

https://www.richstatespoorstates.org/states/FL/

Edit:

Did a little digging after some flaws have been pointed out by @Silentia below. This source is not neutral.

https://ballotpedia.org/ALEC_Rich_States,_Poor_States_Report

The American Legislative Exchange Council, a nonpartisan organization of state legislators, releases an annual report entitled Rich States, Poor States: ALEC-Laffer State Economic Competitiveness Index, which analyzes economic competitiveness in each state. The report is authored by Arthur Laffer, Stephen Moore (chief economist at the Heritage Foundation), and Jonathan Williams, the director of the Tax and Fiscal Policy Task Force at the American Legislative Exchange Council

The Heritage Foundation is a conservative 501(c)(3) nonprofit think tank founded in 1973 and based in Washington, D.C.[1] In 2013, The Atlantic described the organization as "the de facto policy arm of the congressional conservative caucus."[

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

I'm assuming that's the Laffer behind "the Laffer curve," AKA the unscientific bullshit "graph" he drew on a cocktail napkin that would essentially become the basis for supply-side economics AKA "trickle down."

That Laffer?

Because ruining the US economy and setting us on a 3+ decade ride towards record (and frankly inhumane) income inequality once just wasn't enough I guess.

Fucking ghouls.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If billionaire real estate magnets say your education system is good, who are we to argue?

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I took a look at the first ranking I saw. You a free to have a look for studys or other objective sources that come to a different conclusion.

I don't wish to invest that time right now, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong by a better source if you want to look for one.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

I don’t wish to invest that time right now

Maybe don't cite something if you have no idea how it reached its conclusions.