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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 88 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Who cares? It’s run by reactionary incels, transphobes, and racists.

Wait until you find out who runs Lemmy development.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good news, most folks at beehaw know and the admins have decided to move to a new platform

[–] remington@beehaw.org 50 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Correct. We're moving to Sublinks very soon. Buckle up.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

oh boy I can't wait for all of the integrations to break

also is it just me or is deciding what software you use and do not pay for based on the political views of the people who create it (who again in no way benefit from its use by people who don't donate) incredibly fucking stupid

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't call people "incredibly fucking stupid". Be(e) nice.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i'm not calling people stupid, i'm calling an idea stupid. is that also not kosher?

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It is absolutely a reasonable interpretation to assume you were referring to the people making the decision you didn't like. And even if it wasn't, calling an idea a group of people have "incredibly fucking stupid" isn't much different, as it carries an implication of how you see those people.

If you feel other people are getting offended too easily at what you say, I recommend spending extra time on your posts to ensure you avoid saying derogatory things you don't intend for. Something that looks good to you can be incredibly insulting to others who read differently from you, and since conversation is a two-way street, that's the kind of thing we all need to be aware of.

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[–] chamomile@furry.engineer 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

@AVincentInSpace @remington The Lemmy devs are infamously difficult to work with. They've repeatedly shown an unwillingness to even acknowledge the existence of the many problems that instance admins face. That has been a big driver in Beehaw's decision to move platforms, not just because of a difference in political views, and they've been pretty open about discussing it. You're way off-base.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you know what topic brought you here?

"Hey guys, let's not use this free software, because of their views."

"Maybe we shouldn't use this other free software because of their views."

"Why are you guys worried about which free software you use based on their views?"

"We can all tell you aren't new, why are you complaining about our unofficial pastime?"

[–] millie@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It's almost like the philosophy behind a software matters to its long-term stability. Like, as if devs might find reasons to, I don't know, reject PRs, ignore bugs, and trash their users when they come to them for help.

Weird that the content of someone's mind might affect their actions or be an indicator of what level of trust they should be extended!

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago

Programming is a form of communication. When you develop a piece of software, it will intrinsically be biased to boost the kinds of messages you believe in. This is both because you as a person think about problems a certain way, and because the code you write is meant to convey to others how you were thinking about the problem you were trying to solve. Who heads projects and how they communicate with their community matters to what the product produced will become, not just because of how the leads will think about the problem, but also because people who don't get along with them won't wind up contributing. Beehaw requested moderation tools that the lead lemmy Devs didn't view as valuable. The result is beehaw, reasonably, gave up on getting PRs merged and issues tracked in the issue tracker, instead choosing to look at Sublinks which was explicitly started in response to Lemmy's devs not behaving well with their own development community.

And for anyone saying Sublinks is splintering the Lemmy Dev community, no, lemmy's devs did that themselves

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[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago

based on the political views of the people who create it

That is not the reason for the Beehaw switching to another platform, but here's a few of the true reasons why.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Will it federate with Lemmy? I would miss you folks.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's my understanding that it will...I believe that's, also, what it means when they (Sublinks developers) said it would be "Lemmy compatible".

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

That could also mean client API-compatible, so Lemmy apps would work with it, which doesn't address federation.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe so. We should, probably, ask @Penguincoder@beehaw.org about this.

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Pong. @mox@lemmy.sdf.org , in sublinks, the federation services are entirely separate from the API of the instance. So much separate, the federation services are written in a programming language called Golang. The API service is written in a programming language called Java.

One aspect does not require or preclude the other with Sublinks.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Indeed, protocol is independent from implementation language, but that isn't the question at hand.

Do you know whether Beehaw will still federate with the lemmyverse (and therefore the rest of us) after moving to Sublinks?

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago

The current aim of Sublinks is Lemmy parity for V1 release. So yes, I do see Beehaw still federating with Lemmy instances at the on-set.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

Thanks for clearing that up!

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

then what's the point if you're still not getting away from the same people?

[–] millie@beehaw.org 7 points 4 months ago

Y'all just don't even bother moving your eyes over the text before you post, do you?

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's like saying what is the point of misskey (and its forks) when it can be seen by people on mastodon. Isn't that the whole point of the fediverse?

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes I don't understand the point of misskey either. It just seems to be a Japanese clone of mastodon with a small, differing interpretation of some parts of ActivityPub.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

Sublinks exists because the developers of Lemmy have repeatedly ignored feature requests from instance admins and acted in a hostile manner towards them. They're unpleasant to work with, so a bunch of people decided to no longer work with them and create their own project.

It feels like you're only capable of seeing the "logical" point for something to exist friend. Misskey is to Tumblr as Mastodon is to Twitter.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am overjoyed to hear that we'll be staying in the fediverse and I can stay with beehaw.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It will be "Lemmy compatible", so hopefully all of Lemmy apps should work fine.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 7 points 4 months ago

That's splendid, though I'll continue to use the web interface of beehaw honestly.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The demo on that link is literally Lemmy lol

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Is it maybe that they're using the Lemmy frontend, but Sublinks for the backend? But yeah, still a bit weird...

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

deleted - moved instance

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[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago

Oh nice. Hadn't heard a platform had been decided upon.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is it anywhere near ready yet?

[–] remington@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

I can't give you a date. However, I can say it will be very soon.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a lot of work, give them time

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 months ago

I'm not the one saying they're gonna switch to it very soon

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

Great! Must have missed the announcement as usual but no matter, looking forward to it!

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

Lemmy devs are awesome. 1 more reason to use the platform.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

wasnt it leftists?

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