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What I don't understand is how these e cigarettes are accessible to youngsters compared to disallowing cigarettes.

I live in the UK, and I see young teens and people my age in 20s smoking these metal pipe cigarettes, isn't it just tobacco in liquid form? Shouldn't this be tightly controlled like regular cigarettes?

How the hell is this drug popular and marketable??

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[โ€“] gila@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In Australia our tobacco strategy was to effectively ban vapes and price cigarettes out of existence.

The impact to date has created two totally new black markets: one for vapes after people realised anyone could just hop on AliExpress to buy them in bulk and resell for a 2000% markup. They are banned for import, but nicotine is a colourless odourless liquid and there are no rapid tests for it, no capacity to do expensive GCMS testing on all the random freight entering the country from China (our biggest trading partner by far).

The other new black market is for "chop chop", the colloquial name for unprocessed tobacco illegally grown and sold by gangs for cheaper than regular cigarettes / RYO tobacco.

There's also been a big increase in violent robberies at tobacco outlets and even gang turf wars over sales of illegally imported or stolen cigarettes. The excise tax is so high that the gangs can extract enormous sales margin and still undercut the market.

Predictably (and contrary to the rest of the western world) tobacco use has gone up nationally over the past couple of years following a significant downtrend lasting several decades. I'm confident that this strategy, which has been bipartisan amongst our 2 major political parties, will be used as a future case study in why prohibition is fucking moronic. It has continuously demonstrated to be a net detriment to public health, in this case related to a totally preventable yet leading cause of premature death and public health spend.

There is literally no logic to it beyond Lovejoy's Law, except for some false manufactured statistics parroted by our leaders which blatantly ignore scientific consensus.

[โ€“] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In glad The Greens insisted on rrmiving the need for.adults to need a prescription lifted to access vapes with the new laws and presceirotion only only is reserved for minors.

Addiction is a health issue not a policing issie ffs

If they are concerned about deaths they could stop building so many fuckibg roads and get better PT and cycle ways so we use less cars. 11,000 estimated deaths a year from car pollution, not a fucking dicky bird

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/air-pollution-modelling-university-of-melbourne-traffic/102015778

[โ€“] gila@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

They aren't concerned with deaths, this legislation positions the most harmful and most physically addictive nicotine option as relatively more accessible.

They aren't concerned with nicotine addiction, else NRT gum wouldn't be allowed to stock within reach of children in retail outlets.

They're just NIMBY's, there's nothing else to it.