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The origins of the universe have still not being scientifically explained.
Cargo cult atheism has gotten to the point where people now confidently believe we have evidence of things which we do not.
Atheists religiously repeating the word "science" long enough that they trick themselves into believing they have explained the origins of the universe. And thus there is no reason for anyone to believe in God.
Certainly science has achieved a lot. However we are no closer to explaining the origins of the universe as before. As the origin has not been explained why is everyone somehow so confident in the falsehood of a creator?
Agnosticism (not being sure about a creator) is totally fine. However Atheists have a weird obsession about being absolutely certain of something they cannot prove an their alternative for. Atheism runs on pure faith that "science will figure it out in the future". It is a religion in itself.
The "largest minds" of Atheism are all too often based on pure emotion. As we find with Richard Dawkins, the man so smart that he can explain the universe away... and also believes Israel is not committing Genocide in Gaza.
https://raseef22.net/english/article/1095904-et-tu-dawkins-you-refuse-religion-but-support-israel
Atheism is certainty of the nonexistence of a creator.
As clearly demonstrated in this thread by people certain of their atheism so much you would be hard pressed to find a religious person so arrogant in their beliefs.
You are free to correct a person in a conversation if you feel so inclined.
So indeed nothing of value as expected.
It's difficult to dismantle an argument that does not exist. I suppose if your explanation is non existent you always win the discussion. Le epic Atheist wins again.
Do explain anything.
This is wrong. The only thing required to be an atheist is lacking a belief in theistic claims. You don't need to make the claim that God doesn't exist, and most atheists don't.
The only thing we're certain of (not absolutely, but fairly certain) is that theists haven't met their burden of proof.
That's called Agnosticism.
Atheism means you are certain that god does not exist.
You highlighted the A without any understanding of what the prefix a- means. It means not, or without.
I'm not a theist because they haven't convinced me of any theistic claims. I don't claim no gods exist. I just don't know of any gods that exist, therefore I am without theism. A-theism.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/
Ask literally any atheist here if they claim "god does not exist"
They seem quite confident as they proclaim their superiority over religious people and cannot comprehend why anyone would be religious.
Sure. And nobody claimed "God doesn't exist." Two people now have told you that you're mistaken, but you insist.
From our perspective it seems like you're imposing a baseless claim onto us so you can feel better about your own baseless claims. Only theists say atheism is a claim.
There is no baseless claim it is the only reasonable claim from our current understanding of physics.
Claiming that the universe magically came out of nothing is not an answer to some. It contradicts all of science especially the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
Nonetheless you are still conflating Atheism and Agnosticism. These words exist for a reason they mean different things.
Correct, and you're still misusing them according to the people who actually identify with these labels. Atheism is the answer to what you believe, and agnosticism is the answer to what you know.
I don't believe God exists and I don't know if God exists, so I'm an agnostic atheist. For you to assume atheists are gnostic by default is like me assuming Christians are Mormons by default. It'd be even more ridiculous for me to go on and argue with Christians that "Christian" means "Mormon."