Is there at least any way we can leverage this so that bigots become literally scared of mistreating queer people? Like, if you deliberately misgender someone or use a homophobic slur everyone goes quiet and scatters in different directions because they are anticipating the drone strike.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"My pronouns might be they/them, but yours are about to be were/was."

This message brought to you by Lockheed Martin: proudly supporting LGBTQ+ drone pilots worldwide.

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'd say that it's better to frame it as; lockheed supports lgbtq+ but lgbtq+ does not support lockheed as long as lockheeds business-model is based on killing people.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

I'd say that it's better to frame it as; lockheed does not support lgbtq+ but does support free publicity.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know it's difficult but you don't speak for everyone that isn't straight, you don't get to decide what the whole group thinks.

Having sex with people of the same gender is not a political position, sexuality does not determine political and moral views. Plenty of gay people have political and moral perspectives which differ from your own and they are still valid in their sexuality.

Pride should be for everyone who wants to celebrate LGBT, it's not a political party. Yes that means people you don't agree with politically get to celebrate too.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Right wing queer people aren't invalid in their identity, they're just shunned for aiding people who will oppress all of us. Blaire White is a valid woman, but she's not welcome at pride because she works to make our lives worse for short term gain. Bernie Sanders is cishet, but he's welcome at pride for being a long time ally of queer rights.

Pride isn't for queer people by virtue of their identity; it's for all people that fight for our right to proudly exist.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

"supporting the military conglomerates is just a matter of ideology, don't criticise it pls!" Fuck that lukewarm shit, every exec at Lockheed Martin should be tossed in jail

[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay I’m all for equal treatment, but you sound fucking crazy right now. Do you know what you’re actually suggesting? Instilling fear of death in people committing a minor intolerance. That’s not a free society and it sounds like the start of a different monster of an oppressive system.

[–] Censored@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's obviously a joke.

[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

How am I supposed to tell when lemmy users are constantly saying extreme stuff like this

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, people associate queer people with drone strikes, alright. Not as much in the US but there are people around the world (global south, etc) who will take stuff like this at face value and hate queer people because they associate us with the US military. It generally doesn't work out well for the queer people living there.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Not as much in the US but there are people around the world (global south, etc) who will take stuff like this at face value and hate queer people because they associate us with the US military.

Jesus fucking Christ, imagine believing this.

Imagine being THIS into apologia for homophobia.

And then pretending like you never said this, lol.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Multiple stealth edits lol.

See if you can spot the differences:

there are people around the world who will take stuff like this at face value and hate queer people because they associate us with the US military.

long-standing homophobia in other countries is caused by the US military becoming relatively queer-friendly 10 years ago

Can't read?

"There are people" does not mean "this is the sole source of homophobia," it means, "there are people." It is obviously true that some people believe that, it's just an objective fact about the world. There can still be long-standing homophobia and one of the ways in manifests and gets more people on board is what I mentioned, almost as if it's a complex issue with multiple contributing factors.

Also, the US can be tolerant or intolerant in reality, but that doesn't always conform to people's perceptions.

I understand that you're coming into this with a bone to pick with me, looking for any way to twist my words around. But maybe you, uh, shouldn't do that.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it's very stupid. Lots of reactionaries will talk about the concept of queer people being "imported" from Western culture, while at the same time importing their own talking points from the Western far-right media sphere. Obviously, there's plenty of queer history to be found all around the world, and in many cases homophobia was historically imported through Christian colonizers, but reactionaries aren't exactly known for their historical literacy.

Imagine being THIS into apologia for homophobia.

Wait, now I'm confused. Did I misinterpret your comment as interpreting my comment correctly?

Are you saying "imagine believing this" in response to people being homophobic, or in response to me acknowledging that homophobic people exist?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Imagine believing that long-standing homophobia in other countries is caused by the US military becoming relatively queer-friendly 10 years ago"

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Ok I'm imagining it. Seems like a really dumb thing to believe. Not sure what that has to do with anything I said tho.