this post was submitted on 27 Mar 2024
1482 points (100.0% liked)

196

16743 readers
1971 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
1482
rule (lemmy.cafe)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
 

FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] LongMember69@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yes, it is still objectively right. Anyone deciding not to vote for Biden isn't automatically culpable for any Trump victory unless they voted for him personally.

This is an incredibly naïve and privileged perspective, clearly held by someone who has nothing to lose if Trump were to win.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

All the anarkiddies that think the revolution is right around the bend forget that the reason vulnerable groups dont typically get any better treatment post revolution is bc they are the first to be destroyed when the revolution kicks up and the fascists double down.

These sorts of takes kill me. There is nothing stopping you from taking revolutionary courses of action right fucking now. The doors wide fucking open. Youll find that those doors will inch closed real fucking quick under trump.

The Spanish anarchists still have a political party active in Spain whose history runs right back to the civil war in which they fought. The very second of their posted tenets is (paraphrasing), making conditions under the current agenda more tolerable.

Meanwhile, russia has a single communist party formed in the 90s. Why? Bc all others were singularly crushed. They left the one that offers least opposition to the status quo.

That situation hasnt arrived yet. You are free to organize, you are free to aggregate in groups. You can spread your own propaganda, just as you can form or join labor unions, and you are free to try and create new communities of mutual aid. Those are all viable (read: necessary) steps to take.

Good luck taking them when the boot comes crashing down harder than this country has ever seen or was ever prepared for. Voting for Status Quo Joe isnt an endorsement of him, his policies, or the neoliberal status quo. Its just that, a vote. You can use it strategically to buy more time to make evasive maneuvers, or u can forfeit ur vote and lose it all. Then theres always throw it to the dogs via third party the way the american libertarians tried in 2012 when ron paul didnt get the repub nom the way they wanted. Guess what happened then... Johnson still get way under the 5% of the vote needed to give third parties greater tv time next time around. And this time, if dump wins, thats probably going to be the last ur able to vote for a third party president anyway.

We (the left) have been hit by foreign astroturfing the way the right was in 2016. The influx of youth that was supposed to save us by their leftward skew is running away from the political process bc they think theyre going to be revolutionaries. Sorry boys and girls, anarchy/communism wont be brought about by memes, sitting at home, or pretending that you can convince ppl to join ur cause after trumps elected when their lives are going to be all the more consumed and their free time dwindles away as we all work heavier and heavier hrs and the retirement age slips further and further away.

Really sick of hearing it all.

[–] hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Voting for Status Quo Joe isnt an endorsement of him, his policies, or the neoliberal status quo.

that's what a vote is.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is a strategic decision. Same as the past however many elections.

For the first time 2 years ago, however, i got the opportunity to vote for a candidate that i actually really liked to represent my voting district. And guess what, she won! My vote for her wasnt my endorsement of her, however. My spamming her name and cause to anyone in the area that would listen and donating money was.

voting is an endorsement

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These sorts of takes kill me.

Literally me.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Woke up for my graveyard shift and amongst the tankies crying about facts in my inbox i at least had this to make me laugh. Thanks bae <3

[–] hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

if dump wins, thats probably going to be the last ur able to vote for a third party president anyway.

there is no reason to believe this. he has never suggested animosity toward so-called third parties.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Project 2025 is a thing, it is backed by the federalist society. What third parties remain will be the equivalent of the same in russia.

p2025 is a ghost story told to keep blue voters in line. I'm not a blue voter anymore so it doesn't work on me

[–] hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

reason vulnerable groups dont typically get any better treatment post revolution is bc they are the first to be destroyed when the revolution kicks up and the fascists double down.

citation needed

[–] SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network 6 points 9 months ago

I'm actively watching the rights of my loved one literally be stripped away while Biden does fuck all. You can call me whatever you want, but the point remains that Biden has done fuck all and is actively promoting genocide.

You don't know the first thing about me; so don't condescend to me while ignoring everything else I've said.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Biden is president now and trans kids rights are being taken away, black people still disproportionately victimized by police violence, asylum seeking immigrants turned away at the border, and we are funding genocide!!!

It's naive to think that Biden and the Democratic Party has any incentive to change their policies when people will blindly vote them in no matter what they do.