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FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not in America, but I’m trans and have a number of trans friends in the states who are really scared right now. I live in Australia and have participated in pro-Palestine protests (if that’s who you’re implying with that). I loathe Biden, I think he’s a shitty old white dude, and I wish y’all could do better. But if protesting against Biden allows Trump to be elected, then there WILL be far worse consequences, both domestically and abroad. Thousands of trans people will lose their lives, and countless more will lose access to life-saving care. He will likely cut off support to Ukraine considering how he’s ingratiated himself to Putin before. He hasn’t indicated he’d stop supporting Israel either.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

But if protesting against Biden allows Trump to be elected, then there WILL be far worse consequences

That's 100% on Biden for being a legit protest target, not on the individuals with a moral compass who are pointing out his issues.

If we don't want our non-fascist option to be protested against because it means they lose then there should be a better choice available

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry, but I genuinely think that’s reductive and stupid. In Australia, I get to have a choice. And every time I’ve voted, I exercised that choice to put someone other than our Democrats equivalent first on my ballot. Knowing my vote would still flow to them before electing someone who would rather see me dead. You don’t get to have that choice, and you can blame your founding father’s and the various people in control of your government since for that fact. But if you choose not to vote because Biden isn’t good enough, you are making a conscious choice towards fascism.

God. I called it in June 2016 and I’m calling it again now. Y’all are going to end up with Trump again because of people like you. And it’s going to fucking suck to be an Aussie online again for four years. Probably bloody longer.

Edit: It’s not even like 2016 where some people were sounding warning bells that Trump was going to be fascist. He’s been your president before this time around. You have seen what he is capable of, watched as he interfered with the peaceful transfer of power. If he takes office again, from my perspective, it will be the end of democracy in your country. You won’t get that choice again. At least not for a while and not without a lot of suffering first.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

you are making a conscious choice towards fascism.

It's fun to watch people write paragraphs of shit acting like they've got a point and then say something this objectively stupid because they don't actually know what they're on about.

I live in California, if I chose to not vote I'm making a conscious choice to support Biden, as that is who my states electoral votes are going to. If I chose to vote for any third party it's the same outcome. Only if I explicitly vote for Trump (or another potential fascist) am I actually supporting fascism

But what if too many of you Californians think that and Biden loses?!

I can assure you that's not happening here, though I've seen so many people online try to fear monger that it might. If t actually were a threat I'd get in lock-step for Biden to prevent fascism, but it's not so I won't.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

if enough Californians opposed genocide to make it so that Biden didn't get the California electoral votes, imagine the impact. seriously. it would be unprecedented.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well too bad. This is what we got. Either join the rest of us in reality or become yet another person helping fascists seize power.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

helping fascists seize power.

See my other comment, I'm not doing that at all.

Stay mad, it's funny