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Which is batty. I want lemmy to grow, to have niche communities open up etc. Gatekeeping people because "we don't take kindly to your type" is plain stupid.
Whatever „batty“ means.
Your argument is falsely equating our „we dont accept authoritarian systems here“ to „we dont accept people“ which is thinly veiled gaslighting.
No, the issue is "we don't accept people from facebook". It doesn't matter what their opinion is - facebook bad.
The company that has been complicit with multiple ethnic cleansing campaigns, election manipulation schemes, and attempted to suppress their own research showing that their platform harms children? Yeah. They're pretty ethically bankrupt and anyone with something resembling scruples should want nothing to do with them. The users are welcome to join an existing instance or create their own. The company needs to be blocked.
You‘re doing it again. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
We dont accept facebook here, period.
Which is the exact same thing I said - you don't care about the people, you just go "facebook bad" and ban it
No my friend. You're highly manipulative and aggressive. You might want to talk to someone about this. Its not healthy. I'm out. Blocked.
Getting called out and just running like a baby because it's 100% what you said.
Brother, it's not the people. It's the corporation. If the people want to join a non Meta instance they would be welcomed with open arms
Okay, but they want to join a meta instance. That's what they know. Instantly defederating away from them "because corporation" is simply fearmongering in a system that's resistant to "bad corp" taking over.
And now, on top of astroturfing, you're straight up lying in bold face.
How am I lying? Are people who use meta and threads not wanting to use their instance? Then what is this all about?
Also, using big words towards someone who says "don't act like scared children". If anything, people who are doomsayers are the astroturfing ones, repeating the same talking points that don't really make any sense
Yeah, no. The issue is we don’t want corpos using the EEE standard as they have with mostly everything internet wise.
If people want to use Lemmy, make a fucking account, join an instance, and WOW look at that, we grew!
Who is "we"? This is a slippery slope talking point and nothing more. Fediverse was made with redundancy in mind, so nobodys instance is the "main" one by design. Being scared of someone comming in and being part of the various communities doesn't mean that the fediverse would somehow get absorbed, destroyed or whatever have you.
We, as in the people who have seen this shit before, and refuse to fall for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
There's some reading for you to do, so that you understand the risks involved with letting some asshat company, who does not give a flying fuck about you, have even more leverage on the internet than they already do.
What are you gaining by astroturfing here? Are you being paid by the hour, or just being used as a free bootlicker?
What do you gain by being shitty? What do you gain by complaining about threads? Maybe I'm simply someone who doesn't look at lemmy through rose colored glasses thinking it is some wonderful place with no issues at all and I would rather not gatekeep new users?
We've already had this debate and we don't care that you don't like it. If you want to be on Threads, go be on fucking Threads. Not all of us want Lemmy to grow at all.
Why would you not want it to grow. I would have never cared about my online privacy if I didn't stumble upon a Lemmy thread on reddit and join. I would have never ditched windows for Linux without Lemmy. I would not have done a lot of things without Lemmy. Saying you don't want it to grow is dumb if something does not grow it will die. If you don't want to see there content then block them. You should not be able to decide what others see.
Sounds like Lemmy did just just fine at the size it already is.
That and there is organic growth and a 100x entity entering your space and calling it „growth“. Its delusional. Its literally the gauls and the romans.
Well, not literally the Gauls and the Romans... 🗡️ 🗡️
Zuck thinks of himself as a Caesar so.....
Et tu, Brutus
That's like saying you want your country club to grow by letting crackheads, ex-convicts and hooligans have a membership card.
I want Lemmy to grow too but not at any cost. I'd rather have quality than quantity quite frankly.
I agree and disagree. Crackheads and ex convicts are humans, meta is not human.
Its like letting the invading army of nazi germany in because „they’re human“. Meta is by definition a psychopathic authoritarian with an enormous force of „somewhat harmless“ people who will flood the servers and by their sheer number have the power to change anything they want.
Eternal September is inevitable. It's not like the good communities will stop existing.
I saw many good Reddit subs then into garbage as the site grew.
At least the Fediverse should be resistant to enshittification because greed isn't the driving force behind it.
Same.
I used TOR to log in to my FB account after years, just to see how my normie friends and family might be doing. They barely posted anything. It was just reposted ads.
My experience was also:
Numerous unblockable "suggested for you" pages were all thot-videos that would get me fired if I worked in an office.
FB marketplace, rife with scams.
The company has been caught doing everything from enabling genocides to collecting data on children to making "shadow profiles" for people without accounts, to influencing elections.
A single clicked link can hijack your account, evidenced by how many relatives send me private messages about a "friend that just got them a bunch of money."
Yeah I'm more than happy having Lemmy have a basic intelligence barrier to entry, and making sure Meta suffocates if they try to zombify our platform with their accessibility + indoctrination strategy, like they have with entire countries.
Having a massive illiterate army that will do whatever you influence them to is nothing to sneeze at. (See: TikTok mobilizing their user base in the name of "free speech")
If any living breathing person wants to come hang out with us on Lemmy / Mastodon / Pixelfed / etc... using any instance? I'm happy to walk them through it. There's no "gatekeeping" any more than being required to read is gatekeeping the rest of society.
It's been said the Fediverse feels like "the old internet"...exactly, when it was about expression, and anonymous handles, and not corporate and nation-state interests trying to mind control and profit off of alarmingly detailed profiles of the entire human population. Keep the board rooms out of our bedrooms.
Implying that lemmy is somehow better than other social media networks is equally silly. It's not. It's basically the exact same thing reddit is, with less people on it.
I'm looking at a computer, and I have no clue who any of you are. There's nothing inherently social about anonymous message boards no matter what the revisionist clowns say.
It is a social network. Just because you don't know someone personally doesn't mean you aren't interacting with them socially. Asking someone for directions to somewhere is socializing - you won't meet the other person ever, but you made a connection, talked to someone. In extension, people who post more in certain communities will be recognized by many people visiting those communities. It doesn't matter who is behind the nickname - you are talking to them, a living human being.
Consider not disparaging people who use drugs or those who are finished served their time in jail. Drug use is innate across the human species, and ex convicts should be fully integrated with the community as full citizens.
Murder as well, doesn't make it a good thing. Drugs are for losers.