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In a surprise move, an Illinois judge has removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s ballot based on the 14th Amendment’s so-called “insurrectionist ban.”

The decision is paused, giving Trump a short period of time to appeal.

Wednesday’s unexpected decision comes as a similar anti-Trump challenge from Colorado is pending before the US Supreme Court, which is widely expected to reject arguments that Trump is barred from office.

Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter heavily relied on the prior finding by the Colorado Supreme Court, calling Colorado’s “rationale compelling.”

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Who decides which SCOTUS cases can be ignored? Because right now, Alabama is ignoring a SCOTUS ruling to stop their racist gerrymandering. No one is able to stop them from doing it. Insulting me will not change the fact that ignoring a SCOTUS ruling is, right now, allowing official state racism to stand. And there has been no civil disobedience enough to stop it.

So, without insulting me- how do you ensure the South doesn't just ignore Plessy vs. Ferguson?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

how do you ensure the South doesn't just ignore Plessy vs. Ferguson?

They already are. What did Illinois following rulings by an illegitimate court do to change that?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The discussion was about how states could just ignore SCOTUS. It had moved on from the topic in the article.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As far as I understand, your argument was if Illinois ignores a SCOTUS ruling that allows southern states to also ignore SCOTUS rulings, which they are already doing. What is your argument if I've misunderstood, and what is your proposal in regards to how states should deal with a ruling that is contrary to what the law should be?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is the comment I was responding to:

States don’t have to obey the supreme court.

The supreme court is a suggestion body more than anything else.

As soon as we stop taking them seriously, they stop having power.

And if that is the case, any Southern state can ignore Plessy v. Ferguson.

But it is clearly not the case.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Alabama is currently ignoring the Supreme Court's directive to redraw their congressional map.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I know. I already brought that up. And, again, if Alabama is legally able to do that, they are also legally able to ignore Plessy. It's one or the other.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

if Alabama is legally able to do that

What are the consequences for Alabama doing that?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We'll have to wait and see apparently. Does that change what I said somehow?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Considering Illinois would not be setting a precedent here, yes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You have yet to explain why Southern states couldn't just ignore Plessy if SCOTUS rulings are just suggestions.

(Remember? The thing I was replying to?)

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Federal law has never controlled state elections.

Why do u think scotus has any power over how state elections are run here? Plessy v Ferguson doesn't even apply here.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Plessy v. Ferguson was another example of racist laws that could be allowed if SCOTUS can just be ignored whenever states want.

And racist gerrymandering has absolutely been taken up by SCOTUS before. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._Johnson

Legal racism is not a state-by-state issue.