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[–] Lawyerator@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I can see how the cartoon is inappropriate. A Star of David references Judaism as a whole. It paints an entire religion as the perpetrators of bad acts that can only reasonably be laid at the feet of Netanyahu's Israeli government. An Israeli flag might be more appropriate, but it would still be painting ordinary Israeli citizens with too broad of a brush.

On the flip side, the military controlled by Nethanyahu's government seems to be painting all Gaza citizens as targets, regardless of affiliation with Hamas or lack thereof. This stance sucks and is evil.

Killing innocent people like Hamas and Israel have is a clear ethical failure. Fomenting culture-wide hatred of a group in a way that encourages future killing of innocent people like Hamas and Israel have is also an ethical failure.

Harvard was right to condemn the cartoon, but there is no real good guy here.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

An Israeli flag wouldn't be enough. The cartoon implies that Jews, who own all the money, are killing off Arabs and black people.

A hand imprinted with the flag of Israel hanging a Palestinian? Disturbing, maybe intentionally so, but not antisemitic.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

are killing off Arabs and black people.

Perhaps you should ask the opinions of Ethiopian Jewish folk before writing that off as inappropriate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh, okay. Well that definitely makes the whole cartoon not antisemitic because that's for sure what the cartoonist was talking about. My mistake.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it's not antisemitic - there is still a minority of antisemites out there that hates Jewish folks more than they hate Arab people (the reverse seems to be the case for the majority of western antisemitism these days). What I am saying is that Israel is no less anti-black than the US is - and no less white supremacist. The author may be referencing that - or they may not.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Considering the article says the cartoon comes from the 1960s and the Beta Israel Exodus didn't begin until 1979, I think we can be absolutely sure that the author is not referencing that and is just a piece of shit antisemite.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

the cartoon comes from the 1960s

Yeah, I'd say that pretty much settles it.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

An Israeli flag might be more appropriate, but it would still be painting ordinary Israeli citizens with too broad of a brush.

Not really since most of them support the "war" in Gaza. These are the same people who have been voting Netanyahu for 20 years. Should've been the Israeli flag.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A Star of David references Judaism as a whole. It paints an entire religion as the perpetrators of bad acts that can only reasonably be laid at the feet of Netanyahu's Israeli government. An Israeli flag might be more appropriate, but it would still be painting ordinary Israeli citizens with too broad of a brush.

Just for the record, the Israeli citizens you’re giving a free pass to, voted for this government. More or less.

They aren’t totally holding the bags, they do have some blame to carry. Same way as an American I have some blame for Bush’s war in Iraq or Obama’s war in Afghanistan.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Obama started a war in Afghanistan?

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

He was in charge for 8 years,. He took ownership of killing all those people.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Surged troops for pipelines, and he certainly didn’t stop the war.

[–] Pot@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago

The israeli citizens are blocking humanitarian aid and are going to the torture chambers to take selfies while naked palestinians are being tortured by the army.