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Listened to Billie Jean while cleaning, wondered what the all time playlist might be.

I imagine Kanye, Clapton, Pink Floyd, James Brown, Ike Turner all make the cut with MJ but I'm curious what Lemmy comes up with!

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[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Was anything confirmed, or is this another set of career-ending allegations that people are stupidly accepting without concrete proof?

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure. I know the STUCA allegations were proven false.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for at least admitting it.

Dream, ProJared, Johnny Depp, and I think Toby Turner all come to mind. 3 out of the 4 were punished harshly for a crime they didn't commit.

Not saying they have the best morals, but they all received punishments that did not fit what they actually did.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Educate yourself about the realities of fake rape/SA allegations and then come back

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, I'm not commenting on the allegations, just people's automatic acceptance of them. People need to be heard, but in a situation like this, both parties need to be equally scrutinized. You can't deny that there are individuals who are taking advantage of recent movements and destroying people's careers. That can be true even if the majority of allegations made are truthful.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I understand, that is why a court of law will only accept evidence that leaves no doubt about someone having committed a crime. The court of public opinion has no such requirement though, and I don't think it should have. Often times it is exceedingly difficult to prove rape/SA, especially because many victims need time to eventually report the crime. That is because the victims face a lot of scrutinization (often times more than the accused person), which they obviously tend to avoid because it's such a traumatic event. So I think it's fair to judge someone accused of SA, because usually it's true even if the victim is unable to prove it.

That being said I also believe in separating the art from the artist, at least to a certain extent. If the music encourages SA, I wouldn't listen to it (regardless of accusations, really), but otherwise I won't let the things the artist (probably) did distract from the art. Hitler also did nice paintings, and I don't see why we shouldn't appreciate the paintings for what they are, even if the person who created them was obviously evil.