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Christians literally go door to door: "Knock Knock Knock. Have you found Christianity? I've chosen a christian way of life and I think it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be christian. I think you should raise your children to be christian. I think we should teach christianity in school. I think we should elect christian leaders. I think we should have a christian society."

So they think gay people go around going: "Knock Knock Knock. Have you found gayness? I've chosen a gay way of life and it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be gay. I think you should raise your children to be gay. I think we should teach gayness in school. I think we should elect gay leaders. I think we should have a gay society."

Which is of course as ridiculous as thinking: "Knock Knock Knock. Have you found left-handedness? I've chosen a left-handed way of life and it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be left-handed. I think you should raise your children to be left-handed. I think we should teach left-handedness in school. I think we should elect left-handed leaders. I think we should have a left-handed society."

(Now it's not just gay, it's trans too.)

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[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And by christians, you mean American Christians. The rest of the world's god-botherers don't do this. Yous are fucking weird bunch, that's why yous got turfed out of Europe in the 15th century πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So... the Catholic Church, well known for traveling the world to shove Jesus down everyone's throats, is an American institution now? Got it.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, but they stopped knocking when Europe became more secular.

I haven't had anyone in the last 20 years come knocking on my door about religion. Especially not the Catholic Church.

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ah, so Europe is the whole world now - got it.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, there's a lot of history to this, but it's a part of why there's so many unusual or distinctive off-shoots of Christianity that come from the US: Jehovah's Witnesses, LDS, Seventh Day Adventists, Evangelicalism, etc...

It's not just the Puritans, in fact, it's mostly not, though they've given us plenty of other cultural baggage.

Because we weren't our own nation, we didn't have our own bishop in the church of English, so for ministers to get ordained they had to go to England to be trained and then come back.

This gave rise to a conflict between the New Lights and Old Lights. The New Lights were basically proto-evangelicals and they determined that the proof of qualification to be a minister wasn't a degree, education, or some church approval from overseas, but the ability to gather a church.

This meant that charisma became the defining trait for a successful minister. This is why evangelicals have such terrible theology. There's all these ideas that are mainstream evangelical ideas that never existed before this period.

The rapture was created during this period. That's right, for nearly 1800 years Christians wouldn't even know what you meant if you said "the rapture" and now evangelicals wander around telling everyone to be prepared.

[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you have any recommendations for a book on this topic? I'm super intrigued.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

I don't know of any. It's just an aggregation of research over the years. If you find something let me know!

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Heh, and before the 15th century it was the American Christians that went on Crusades, yeah?

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Well us and Africa… and Russia

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

For real though

It's all the fun banning puritans who got booted out of the country after their coup and subsequent dictatorship finally got overthrown who were the bulk of the Thirteen Colonies, which largely just left the "love thy neighbour" Christians who actually campaign against racism, homophobia, climate change and whatever else can be seen as people insulting "God's creation" which frankly I can completely get behind even if I don't believe it as such.

Frankly I don't get the mind bending logic to ignoring all the "everyone is God's child, he has made them as he sees fit, he loves them, you should love them too" stuff in the bible and skipping past to a small subsection which says that men shouldn't sleep together, especially when they ignore the fact that the same section says that anyone who works on a Sunday should be put to death along with a bunch of other wild and wacky stuff that we just all collectively agree was a product of the time it was written...

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Also Jesus pretty much tossed out all the "unclean" nonsense in Peter's dream or whatever.

I wonder how many of them follow the diet though.