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Latinx is not a term used by basically anyone of latin ethnicity. Stop trying to make it happen.
Imo (and my opinion probably doesn't matter as a white man), it's actually more bigoted to ignore the gendered-nature of Spanish and force English language rules onto another culture.
Or at least if they're going to insist anyway go with something like latinae that vaguely follows grammatical rules and is able to be pronounced
The Latino group I met (college students) said they go with Latinx only because it's the movement that actually gained traction in recognizing the bias.
Now the more important piece they said is how extremely patriarchal Latino communities already are, and it's what they know and we're raised with, so of course "the majority" think it's stupid because the majority are older and Christian and very set in their ways. Similar to so many women stuck in shit marriages because they were raised to think that's their lot in life.
It's a fascinating intersectionality issue. The Latino students you met are definitely right about bias and the patriarchy issues. But, it would be incredibly patronizing for someone who isn't Latino to correct someone who is and say they should be using Latinx instead.
I think we have to recognize that unless we're Latino, this isn't our battle. We can help out of course, but it isn't our place to tell them what term they should use. That's something Latinos have to decide on their own, and we use what they ask us to use.
Totally agree! Well said.
I'm just scared that the message "they don't want it. Stop trying" empowers especially white racist people and disenfranchises the youth who are fighting for the change over time (I don't actually know our research how large this movement is. Obviously I still used Latino in my own post). Big right wing media gets their message out that progressives are reverse racist, but the more accurate message you said I think isn't as pervasive, and both sides need to hear it. Especially among minorities who aren't getting representation or getting their voices heard.
Other thing is, I can't pretend like I'm a cultural expert. When they say it's patriarchal, they might be thinking of completely different examples than me. And the ones I'm thinking of might be benign or have a cultural significance that outweighs anything else. It's better for me to keep my mouth shut on specifics, and let them know I support them and I'll respect whatever terminology they prefer.
In my head, I pronounce it "luhTinks". I don't know what is intended and I'm pretty sure that's not it, but that only makes it more fun to think of it that way.
I think the idea is intended as something like "Latin. X.", which isn't really any better, sounds like the monster from a racist 50s B movie or something. La-tinx is where my mind always defaults to too though
Ftfy
It's not even an English language rule.
Latinx comes from students from Columbia or something. It's a Latin American term.
You are so clearly well read on the topic that you cannot spell the name of a country you are accusing of creating the term. It was Pero Rico scholars that counted the term, and this it is a creation of the USA.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. I spelled a country's name wrong? Ok.
Colombia is a country in South America. Columbia is not.
Where is Pero Rico?
Good question
Did you mean Puerto Rico…?
Indeed
And the even dumber part is we already had a way to express the same info with just saying latin
Latinx was invented by latin ethnicities. Just listen to people when they say what they want to be called, it probably isn't Latinx but it might be.
I do listen to people, and most fucking hate latinx. Maybe you are the one with your ears plugged... One latino person does not speak for all latinos. That's not how race works. That's not how it has ever worked.
Exactly, one person doesn't speak for everyone. Ignore people who say "latins don't like Latinx" because they don't speak for everyone and it's a Latin American term anyways. Listen to those around you and you'll know what to use. We're in agreement.
Uhhhhh no you are literally not even listening to your own advice...
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE IT. That is SPECIFICALLY NOT ignoring their opinion on the matter, you brainless worm. Most Mexicans and Spanish people do not like it. Most do not like it. Start fucking LISTENING.
You think because I added more context behind the word Latinx that I'm advocating for it to be the general term for a group of people, right? I was trying to figure out how you got so confused and angry.
Either that or you feel that by not deferring to your expertise on Mexicans and Spanish people, it's equivalent to not listening to others, which makes me a hypocrite because I'm saying to listen to individuals.
When the vast majority don't like something you're pushing on them, it makes you a dick. Stop being a dick.