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This week, Republican governors across the country escalated their conflict with the Biden administration over the southern border by invoking the same legal theory that slave states wielded to justify secession before the Civil War.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, joined by 25 other GOP governors, now argues that the Biden administration has violated the federal government’s “compact” with the states—an abdication that justifies state usurpation of federal authority at the border.

This language embraces the Confederacy’s conception of the Constitution as a mere compact that states may exit when they feel it has been broken. It’s dangerous rhetoric that transcends partisan grandstanding. And as before, it’s being used to legitimize both nullification and dehumanization.

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[–] runswithjedi@lemmy.world 78 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This is some insane logic. Wouldn't this work both ways? Couldn't the US say "sorry Texas, you seceded so your electoral college votes don't count."

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"Not like that! I want all of the privilege but none of the responsibility. Why are you being so unreasonable?!"

  • Republicans
[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 31 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Reminds me of Quebec. They wanted to separate from Canada but wanted to still use Canadian money and still have access to national Canadian programs.

It's not a pick and choose situation as much as you like it. You're either in the country and a part of it, or you're not.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

Honestly, it's the story of conservatives literally everywhere.

Conservatives in UK: We want all of the benefits of being in the EU but not pay as much into it as those other countries, use our own money.

EU: SIGH Fine!

(Later)

Conservatives in UK: We want out! We can't stand the fact that non-white people can enter our country whenever they like. And we don't want refuges.

EU: Fine!

(Later, after brexit)

Conservatives: why can't we just travel to Europe like we used to?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

What got me was wanting to be able to continue to have Canadian Passports.

A lot of these movements are dominated be people that have a lot of pride in their region (which is fine) but don't have a good grasp on international affairs to the point that they don't actually understand what it means to be a country.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

They'd still be able to use Canadian money. There are eleven countries right now that use US currency as their official currency. The Canadian federal programs are right out, though.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Britain is going through that regret right now after leaving the EU.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Brexit, Bregret, Brenter?

[–] Anon819450514@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Stuff like that can be negotiated between parties.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Plenty of autonomous regions around the world with these same kinds of arrangements.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

ME? Take responsibility for MY actions?

Lol no. That's a YOUR thing.

  • Also republicans
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

They do this on the micro level all the time with that "sovereign citizen" horse manure - going on and on about their "rights"? What fucking rights? You declared yourself someone who is not a citizen of the United States?!

So if Texas were to secede, then cry that their electoral votes don't count, that would just be the sovereign citizen BS writ large.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Conservatives don't accept responsibility for anything but only want the privileges