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There's a joke to be made about this but I feel like I'd overstep some boundaries rule
(lemmy.blahaj.zone)
aka non consented circumcision is a human rights violations rule
Jokes aside, it's fucked up to normalize maiming a baby by cutting skin off their dick when they are unable to consent, all in an attempt to deprive them of their sexuality years later and rip away protection to a sensitive area for no reason other than tradition. Really, there is no medically substantiated reason is the vast majority of the population except in instances of a birth defect.
It's always upsetting no matter what but the biggest upset is when people do this to their children when they're not even religious, which is common in the US and South Korea. I don't think some parents realise how abnormal it is.
This is a great presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYq1n6Ipfw
Wow, now I feel bad for posting this. I haven't thought of this under this angle. Thank you for the eye opening!
Was that the original intent? Because as someone who's circumcised I can tell you that didn't slow me down one bit
Imma point out that you don’t have a point of comparison. It doesn’t cause a complete inability to feel pleasure, but it absolutely has a significant impact on sensitivity.
I have heard similar, but I don’t think that’s directly comparable to having it done before becoming sexually active. Also it’s not just Reddit. I reckon a lot of people have an opinion on this one. I swear though, if one more person tries to tell me it’s “less clean” I’m going to tear their head off. I’ve known how to wash properly (uncircumcised) since I was single-digits old, bugger off!
Yeah that's kinda a dumb argument, we don't cut any other body parts off to save on washing up time.
Very much so, in particular Puritans wanted to stop boys from touching themselves. And in a sense it very much works, you don't hear "used the wrong stuff for lube" types of stories out of Europe because we don't need any in the first place (modulo using a masturbator which btw yes you should totally get, Tenga Airtech are cheap, durable, and also otherwise high-performance).
I'm circumcised and have only used lubrication to touch myself maybe 3 times. And I've been touching myself every single day (when I'm not having real sex with someone I'm in a relationship with) at least once a day for the past 15+ years. People use lube because it feels more like sex not because they have to. I was jacking off for at least 6 or 7 years before I finally got to experience the real thing so I just felt like lube was too messy. Especially when you jack off multiple times in a day, the thought of cleaning off lotion or whatever around my crotch 10+ times in one day sounds terrible.
Plus I've had many conversations with American women that I had relationships with or were just friends with that all expressed that uncircumcised dicks gross them out. So I've always been happy to be circumcised strictly for that reason. I doubt it happens in Europe because the women in America just aren't used to it, but if I showed a woman my dick and she got grossed out I would be devastated.
I literally mentioned birth defects as a medically substiated reason, phimosis being one of them. Please read.
Phimosis isn't even a birth defect, it's not supposed to be pulled back for an infant. There's basically no medically justifiable reason, ever, to do this to a baby.
While I agree that most cases of phimosis would be better to wait until teenage/young adult years before intervention is considered, if it’s bad enough that their pee balloons under the foreskin, it requires surgery. However, that surgery does not require full circumcision either in babies or adolescents.
Ballooning can be harmless and doesn't mean that there's severe phimosis, much less severe enough to require surgery. The process of natural separation takes time.
Okay, I’m incredibly anti-circumcision, but you’re just being obtuse. The whole point of medical science is to prevent suffering. For example, we vaccinate babies to prevent harmful illnesses. They cannot speak for themselves so we have to make those decisions for them, but only in their best interests.
The standard of care should be too take the least invasive approach possible, especially when the more radical option has lifelong consequences. Not sure how that position is obtuse. And if a child is too young to speak, nobody should be recommending this operation because any diagnosis of 'phimosis' at that age is plain bullshit.
This is the position I believe is obtuse. Circumcision being abhorrent doesn’t mean that any medically necessary surgery in the area is “bullshit”. I’ll point out, again, that surgery for phimosis does not require circumcision, nor does it cause the same lifelong consequences. I’m not going to debate it with you further though.
Edit: Under your logic, we should just let a baby with a congenital heart defect die instead of operate on them, because they can’t speak for themselves.
Good thing that's not at all my logic. A high risk heart condition and not being retractable at age three are not even slightly the same degree of compelling. Talk about being obtuse. You give an extremely common phenomenon that many boys grow out of and say that it necessitates surgery without any qualifiers. I say bullshit, that is basically the extent of it.
Not just boys grow out of it. Hi, from a girl with a penis. Can you leave me alone now?
Even if there's phimosis going straight to circumcision is not medically defensible, first there's testosterone creme and mechanical stimulation. Don't have statistics at hand but the number of cases where that's not enough should be lower than that of intersex folks.
Phimosis in infants can lead to infections to the urinary tract, discomfort and/or pain and other related issues.
Phimosis is a medical condition and needs to be addressed as such, with parents/guardians taking well informed decisions backed with medical advice.
Addressing phimosis and other issues regarding the prepuce also does not require circumcision as other procedures can be done to rectify issues.
The removal of the prepuce for non medical reasons is an unnecessary, unjustifiable, unreasonable act, already considered to some degree as genital mutilation, as it has been shown it deprives feeling from the area and thus inhibits the sexual development and enjoyment.
Nobody takes you seriously either because you don't even finish reading the post and then act unnecessarily rude and obnoxious afterwards.
Sorry mate, wrong community, this isn't the circus here
Let’s compare this to tail-docking for dogs. There are plenty of legitimate medical reasons that a vet might dock a tail for, including the fact it can be basically impossible to heal a severe injury on one. But if you get your dogs tail docked just for the looks, that’s a shitty thing to do. That’s why where I live, it’s illegal to do it just for aesthetics.
Now, if you’re suggesting that the vast majority of circumcisions aren’t aesthetic, and are in fact a necessary preventative medical procedure. Well, firstly, we survived as a species for hundreds of thousands of years before we started doing it just fine. And secondly, you could just as easily make the argument that removing the testes is needed to prevent future cases of testicular cancer.
Oh wait, doctors do literally say and do this to Intersex babies, with literally no medical evidence to back up their claims. Then try to force a child that was born with external genitalia to grow up as a “girl” after cutting it off.
Circumcision deprives sexuality?? So I would be even MORE horny if I wasn't circumcised?! I can't believe that. I don't think my kids will be circumcised if I have ever have any because it is pretty archaic but I don't see any reason to be mad about it.