Maybe that's because their own class is stealing and emulating their art without permission, sometimes even on purpose as a "fuck you" to them. In this case it's not just the corporations screwing them over.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They've decided to brand what the AI does as stealing in order to twist the narrative. It isnt stealing when the images are generated from scratch. And because they are using full manipulative tactics to enhance their fear mongering, they deserve ever bit of fuck you's they can get

[–] Loki@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Generated from scratch? How do you think AI generates images? They need to be trained on images to produce anything coherent, there is no "generated from scratch" with AI (well, DL like stable diffusion)

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Do you think humans create art in a vacuum? They dont, they use all the art they have ever seen or grown up around for inspiration. Do you owe Disney a cut because their movies as a child inspired you to get into art?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And how humans understand things is same as feeding pixels to a program?

Give some credit to your brain.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

LLM's arent a 1-1 comparison to human learning, but they are the closest we have gotten yet. These programs are capable of learning and storing lessons from previous sets of instructions that are no longer currently being provided. Its not completely ridiculous to compare that to how humans learn

[–] Loki@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't, and I never said that. I was replying to your assertion that it isn't stealing if it's generated from scratch. Your assumption that AI (DL) generates from scratch is simply wrong.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Well I've watched them get made by scratch multiple times, and when I first started making gens I'd reverse google search them to see if they were too close to anything existing previously and they never were, so, I'm gonna need more proof than anyone who's claimed it was plagiarism has been willing to provide has given so far

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is stealing, the computer just copypastes shit.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok grandpa

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago

Also being ageist will not make what I said any less true.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Their own class is making FOSS tools like Stable Diffusion and training models on copyright free sources and AI generated imagery, the corporations are the only ones stealing.

[–] Dreadfighter23@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well there was the incident with voice actress Erica Lindbeck where someone used AI tools to make a song using her voice. That doesn't fall under any laws currently but it's still an asshole thing to do, without first getting permission. Or how about when someone was making AI art in someone else's style and even tried to credit the original artist as if they were the creator.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

New tools new problems new solutions. Identity theft has always existed, it's time for society to realise everything they contribute can now be socialised as knowledge and information for all, including our voices. Other voice actresses, like the one who voiced Lydia for Skyrim, also requested that her voice not be used for mods and facsimiles, this was for the most part respected by the creator community, but can't be enforced, and any person with less clout won't have any control over their exposure any more. Society will have to accept that our physical likenesses are publicly accessible information than can be replicated, this was always going to become the case, recording information is what humans do best. Next up, thoughts and memories.