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[–] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If the person you've kept locked in your basement for decades, surviving on nothing but piss and shit, suddenly comes out and start stabbing people, is it really at all useful to characterize them as the "bad guy"?

Sure, stabbing is "bad", but calling the ensuing violence anything other than the most logical conclusion does nothing but gloss over and erase decades of history and context, and ultimately take the side of Israel.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Hamas isn't Palestine. Hamas, and groups like it, have their stated, public goal being the complete destruction of Israel, and simply will not negotiate peace. At all. They consider it their religious duty to eradicate Jewish people for existing in the wrong place.

Yes, of course Israel's actions have made it worse, by giving Hamas oxygen and credibility, but it's a mischaracterization to treat Hamas as just some random guy Israel kept locked up.

There are no good guys in this conflict, and all involved - except for civilians on both sides - have been terrible to each other for a long time.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Palestine at least has the excuse that they haven’t voted for a long time, Israel doesn’t.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

lil' baby bibi has never tried anythign remotely resembling negotiating for peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization. What is the Israeli government's excuse?

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Far be it from me to defend him and his conservative government. Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel and for peace, no question.

Just look at this:

That's at the groundbreaking ceremony for a new, illegal settlement in the Golan Heights, named after Trump in honor of him supporting Israel's claim on the territory (and thereby discrediting the United States as a peace broker, unfortunately).

So yeah, I'm well aware that Netanyahu has been terrible.

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hamas isn't Palestine. But Hamas is the Gaza Strip. They are its government.

To be clear, that doesn't warrant the eradication that the Israeli military and the Likud party are executing.

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

decades.

Israel has admitted, via a former PM, that they built the bunker under the hospital as an expansion to it in the 1980s. Might be why they know exactly where the entrances are.

Another note is that when the "Health Minister" of the Gaza Strip talks, that's Hamas talking. The government there is Hamas. It's just as much propaganda as what the Likud party spits out.

Hamas has been the government in the Gaza Strip only since 2007. Its critical to note that Ol' Netanyahu and his cronies were responsible for enabling that power grab.

[–] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why are you defending a terrorist attack that killed innocent civilians?

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

They didn't. Occupied People are uncooperative. Desperate People lash out irrationally. These are simple cause and effect of Human Nature, not an excuse nor any defense.