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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (6 children)

"Lgbtq+ organization" is as stupid as antifa leadership.

[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not stupid, it is designed to criminalize political participation by anyone who isn't pro-putin.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The motivations are insidious, the justification is stupid

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fascists can’t conceive of something without a strict hierarchical power structure.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"I don't get same sex relationships. Who is the boot haver and who is the boot licker?" /s

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

cant wait till they start accusing each other of being gay and therefore terrorists

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, I think some are more equal. Those laws are not to be applied to an acting member of elites. When they do something to fall out of favor or just seen as not important anymore, that's when they will get accused of anything.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

There were gossips about some top branches' kids living in EU being not exactly straight. I don't think direct attacks would ensue, but charging each others' children as a form of a racket? I can see it happening.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not really, but kinda. Antifa is an ideology that explicitly rejects leadership, but lgbt is just a thing some people are. Some people are black, and when society treats them like shit over it sometimes they organize. Same goes for lgbt. We organize but we exist when disorganized. The mattachine society and daughters of bilitus were examples of early LGBT organization in my country.

Banning us from organizing is a way to say that if we acknowledge our existence or if anyone acknowledges that our oppression is oppression it will be punished and treated as extremist opposition to the regime.

[–] gribodyr@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on “rejects leadership”?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Formal/persistent organization and people trying to be leaders are generally frowned upon in antifascist scenes. It’s partly due to the anarchist current in them, but it’s also because antifa is something you do not something you join or something you are. Someone may lead an event or something but it will reject someone becoming “a leader” instead preferring those who would be leaders be seen as people having more experience

In short your local lgbt community may have a group with a president, that’s normal. Your local antifascist community almost certainly won’t.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Antifa is an ideology that explicitly rejects leadership

Lol! No it doesn't.