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'No Possibility' of Gaza Cease-Fire, Biden Says as 500+ Former Staffers Demand One
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To be fair, i don't think Israel is going to do a cease fire even if we yeet all the aid and support we promised them. Netty has been wanting this fight for... ages.
Not too sure on that, US has many ways to force cease fires as good as starting coups.
I think if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, it would be done.
if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, Israel wouldn't have felt comfortable doing it in the first place, really. I'm just saying at this point, I don't think there's a lot we can do. and as for starting a coup... that has never worked out well for the US.
Au contraire, I saw bananas on sale the other day for just 59 cents.
Considering how well those coups worked out, I’d really like for that sad chapter of US history to stay history, as much as I despise Bibi’s reactionary government.
Someone remind me when the next election is for Israel.
Well, IMO the coups did what was required, same in latin america.
It stopped the political party that was going to rule and chaos would ensue.
Due to party plans of interfering with US corporations and allies.
They did meet short term goals but the long term blowback is indicative that it’s not worth it from a cold strategic perspective even when not factoring in the ideological hypocrisy
Oh, okay.
I think I understand a bit of what you are saying.
Thanks!
Well, if we yeet all the aid we send them, at least we won't be facilitating a genocide in as many ways.
That's a start and a step worth taking.
Keep in mind, part of the reason we’ve given all this aid to Israel, historically, is precisely for that leverage it gives us.
People are rolling in their graves that we’re not using it.
Ok but I'd really like to see our government try to make demands or ultimatums
Agreed.
Just because a thing is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. I’m just a realist. They won’t stop until the hardliners on both sides are gone.
Or an Embargo similar to the one on Cuba. Bit BiBi said no guys so we will just have to listen to our overlords.
But BiBi promised I could have ice cream and stay up late, he cant say no now 😿
Let's stop all aid to Israel and go from there.
In all honesty, if this wasn't serving as a proxy war that might have been possible, but I think with China, Iran, and Russia squaring up to support Palestine there's no way we're going to cut off Israel. From a big picture perspective Israel is the only real ally the US or western powers have in the middle east and even if we dumped them for the crimes they commit it would ultimately hurt the US and western powers to abandon or sanction them.
I saw an article saying that Belgium is considering sanctions against Israel, but Belgium is also a NATO country and only has 24k active troops with an additional 6k in reserves. In 2022 Belgium had the third lowest % GDP military investment out of the NATO countries.
Whether we like it or not the big players in the game aren't looking at the atrocities Israel commits in Gaza, they're looking at whether they will have a foothold and ally in the middle east if we have a World War.
We as individuals can take a stance on the conflict without considering the geopolitical outcomes, but to be able to do so we should admit that we are in a place of privilege. I imagine that if news came out that Ukraine blew up a school Poland still would still support Ukraine, because they're right next door.
At the same time, countries which don't meaningfully contribute to their own defense should recognize their privilege when it comes to the world stage.
EDIT: Had accidentally called Ukraine Russia, fixed now.
And even if he didn't want the fight, a ceasefire now would destroy his coalition, being down the government , remove him from power, and probably end up with him personally in prison from the outstanding corruption allegations