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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So, according to you, people of Donetsk and Luhansk don't have the right to self determination. Interesting position to take given that this is precisely what Minsk protocol states, which Ukraine is a signatory to.

[–] sketches@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one has a right to secede illegally in a representative democracy. You don't just go out and declare, with the full support of a invading force occupying another part of your country, independence.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go read the Minsk agreement that Ukraine is signatory to. The west overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine that was democratically elected, and installed a fascist puppet regime. The fascists the west supports have been doing ethnic cleansing in eastern parts of Ukraine.

[–] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ethnic cleansing in eastern parts of Ukraine

They did what?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

systematically murder ethnic Russian people in the region

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think Russia needs to butt out of this. No more incursions into Ukraine, no more propaganda about an impending genocide. So far what they have done looks alarming like Nazi Germany's playbook for the Rhineland. Claim that the ethnic Germans/Russians in a region of another country were under threat, support a separatist movement, then annex that land. And any time you start looking like Nazi Germany in a substantive way, it's time to start taking a long, hard look at your actions.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's not propaganda. Ukraine has been committing war crimes in Donbas for years by attacking water supply and other civilian targets. Meanwhile, comparing Russia today to Nazi Germany is the height of idiocy. Sounds like you've been brainwashed by propaganda beyond all hope.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When Russia's using the same playbook... well, the glove fits. I don't make comparisons to Nazis lightly.

All this is war. Not good, and both sides should be more careful, but it's not genocide.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Given that the west installed literal fascists in power in Ukraine you might want to take a seat there bud.

[–] jazzfes@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know of some of the shady people that were supported by the West and the Ukraine.

Could you shed some more light on the war crimes that Putin refers to? Also could you share the evidence that exists?