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I think they're arguing that unless you make yourself easily replaceable, you don't have to make it a negotiation. They aren't arguing the law, they're just talking power dynamics.
That is exactly what I meant.
But I'm saying it's not a freindly notice, it is a request and it can be denied and dictated at any time.
Most companies aren't idiots about it, and I would quit on the spot if my company denied my time off at the last minute, but you don't know their situation. That's why we need rights!
Nah, fuck that noise. I'm not a child or a slave. It's a notice not a request. You don't get to dictate my time just cause you are paying me to sell you my time. If you're such a child that you are incapable of doing your job as a manager. Then I didn't need this job anyway, there are plenty more.
Your point regarding the legalities of the situation wasn't missed. I agree with you that we need rights, but the point on the other side is while they can indeed say no, they cannot compel you to come in through means other than threatening firing you. They can say no and attempt to intimidate you, but firing and retraining for most non-entry level roles is a lot of work and often not worth the time and effort compared to letting an employee have a week off.
So while it is formally a request, we as employees can present it as an ultimatum and often if you aren't terrible at your job, the power-tripping boss will realize it is easier for them to acquiesce and let you have your vacation than it is to go through the hiring process.
I see, so the situation is simple. All you need is a good job. Man, why didn't I think of that.
Why don't all these people living on the street go home?