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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

oh wait it actually it wasn’t exactly Palestinian land until recently, Jews are technically Palestinians that were run to Europe by Arabs. The Palestinians also don’t want any compromise and won’t stop until they eradicate every single Jew and the entire land will be Arab. (here’s where I’m and I’m sure there’s more)

This is misinformation. Even Hamas said they want a two-state solution. Fucking Hamas. Meanwhile Israel... Well you can look up Netenyahu's position on the conflict yourself.

Oh the fuck this is so complex, and the worst thing is there isn’t any way solution in sight because at least one side doesn’t want any compromise.

Yes, the Israeli government.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, the Israeli government.

Tbf, aside from lobbing missile into other country, Hamas has to bear some blame here. If they would recognize Israel as a country, the conflict will likely turn its tide. That is the compromise they wouldn't take.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If they would recognize Israel as a country, the conflict will likely turn its tide.

I'm not sure how that would happen. There have been two ceasefires with Hamas that fell apart because Israel didn't lift the blockade as promised, even as Hamas followed it for months on end.

We already know Netenyahu's position on Palestine; he's not exactly trying to hide it, and the West Bank is currently being colonized (up to and including pogroms) by Israel so it's not like peace is working either.

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You just don't put out statements calling their country illegitimate - it's not rocket science.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And while we're on the subject of rocket science, stop fucking launching rockets at Israeli civilians

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

No one is defending Hamas shooting rockets at Israel, who has an Iron Dome to protect them anyway.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The PLO recognized Israel. What was the result?

[–] Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Are you old enough to remember the Olso accords and the peace process? Pals have been offered states numerous times, they don't want it , they want to fight, every resource they use for terror. Israel is just supposed to make concessions until the pals come around to peace ? They will not.

You don't understand the mindset, if you lived in any Muslim country particularly in the Midwest you would find things very difficult, particularly if you are a women, or gay, or a non Muslim. They will kill a woman who doesn't wear her scarf, forget about talking to men... these people are fascist in a way that you do not understand

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because by then all the ball will be on Netanyahu's court. When Hamas announce their new charter, US made it clear that if it doesn't include recognizing Israel as a country then they will not have a dialog. Of course, at that time there's Trump so it won't work regardless, and now it's too late.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Because by then all the ball will be on Netanyahu’s court.

It's been for a long time now. Netenyahu and his ilk have made it very clear they don't want a Palestinian state. Like they're turning it into an election platform. The PLO recognized Israel in preparation for the Oslo Accords, and what happened? What's the state of the PNA now?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Again, this presupposes that every single person living in Gaza deserves to pay for the crimes of Hamas.

[–] Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can look up the hamas charter, they advocate genocide.

You are ignorant of history, pals have been offered statehood numerous times throughout the years and their position has always been there can be no Jewish presence in Israel.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The PLO dropped that position in the 80s, and even Hamas dropped it sometime in the 2000s/2010s. You're the one who's ignorant of history. And they're not pals, they're Palestinians.

[–] Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No hamas has not https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

And regardless of what they say their actions speak louder than words and they lie about absolutely everything, how naive.couod you be? Didn't you see hamas on cnn this week saying things like they did not target civilians on 10/7, they are decrepit.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Their actions also include two permanent ceasefires in 2008 and 2012 that Israel didn't follow.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Israeli government offered to create the first Palestinian country in human history and Hamas counter-offered with the destruction of Israel.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've done it like 3 or 4 times, but a quick Google search will provide many details

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I'm asking which one so I can explain in detail why what you said up there makes no sense.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh well then this is a stupid discussion.

I'm not interested in your alternate take on history.