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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't blame Israel for Hamas killing civilians, I blamed them for letting hamas get so powerful that they could execute such a devastating attack.

Israel does not care about pushing civilians towards Hamas, as they have mostly done just that for the last few decades. They refused to support more moderate Palestinians forces, instead causing economic hardship for all Palestinians, while stealing territory from the West Bank where Hamas has less power. If they didn't want a humanitarian crisis, they wouldn't have blockaded essential resources. They demanded over a million people evacuate from half of Gaza in 24 hours, something that would be nearly impossible in even wealthy countries with functioning governments. Even if Gaza had a government willing to move those people, the request would still be impossible.

When the government originally said they were "fighting animals," they did not specify Hamas. In fact, they were telling all Palestinians that they would be cut off from essentials. Bibi and his allies have been trying their hardest to make Israel a less free country, an explicit Jewish theocracy. The idea that the "free world," would speak up is laughable when fascist parties are serious threats in every liberal democracy. The Republicans in the US have been even more explicitly genocidal against Palestinians than Israel's government, dehumanizing all Muslims and inspiring hate crimes. It's nothing new as they have been demanding trans people be banned from public life for the last few years. Most Democrats refuse to speak up enough, as they value their middle eastern ally way too much. The right wing in Israel want to steal Palestinian land and force the people into exile, as they have no sense of irony.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I agree about Israeli goverment being way too right wing, trying to take more Palestinian land. That just sucks, and it's a worldwide trend of countries becoming less liberal.

And yeah Israel 100% messed up horribly about letting Hamas being so powerful. Bibi has so much to answer to and by his character he won't and blame it on others.

And about the humanitarian crisis - let's be real - nobody expected Gazans to clear the northen part in 24 hours - the IDF itself issued more warnings after that initial 24 hour one because of course they did - it's ridiculous thinking otherwise. It's been almost a week since then and they still haven't invaded - plenty of time for evacuation. And blocking of resources is also over with Rafah crossing (about Israel's support of food/water/electricity - it's understandable why they don't wanna spend their money giving them that right now...)

And about Israel not supporting more moderate Palestinian forces, I don't know about that... The last time Israel supported the PA was the Oslo Accords which is wildly regarded in Israel as a good step for peace, and a very bad move for Israeli security - the second intifada has definitely been more deadly because of it.

But even after all of that - that's just the current government - and unlike Hamas, they don't control the whole state. There's an opposition, there's a separate military, a separate court... The extremists don't have all the power. And hopefully after those events Israelis will realize they're a danger not only to Palestinians, but for Israelis.