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Iran warns Israel it will intervene if Gaza operation continues, report claims
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2023
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Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
Is it just a "sunk cost fallacy" thing or is it any more than that?
It feels weird sinking so much money for someone else's wars over so many decades.. like trillions over wars and apart from ukraine recently its been always and only israel demanding the aid
they're meant to be a main ally in the middle east for the US
most of the other countries are either allied with Russia/China/Iran/etc or too unstable
there's also massive israel lobbying in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
tbh kinda the US's only ally. Turkey kinda is, and Saudi Arabia really just sells us oil.
Suddenly nearly all of Europe disappeared I guess. As did the Arab Peninsula, Japan, South-Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, Hong Kong. Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Canada? Mexico? Egypt? Sure they're dicks but guess who sells them weapons?
I'm sure I'm forgetting a ton of countries but the US hegemony isn't built on its singular strenght alone, but on alliances. That's why it's so damn hard to break.
I think they meant the US's only ally in the middle east, not the whole planet.
Although it's still wrong considering the US is allied with turkey, Kuwait, UAE, etc
The US is a global, industrial empire. To maintain that position, we need to make sure threats to our influence are kept to a minimum, and we need to provide security to the global trade system that we and our allies benefit from. Israel is aligned with the West culturally and ideologically, and so it's a natural partner, and given its location in an oil-rich region, right next to the Suez Canal, and a stone's throw from or bordering several of our major global adversaries' proxies, it's a natural and necessary ally.
Anything else, like the Evangelicals' bizarre obsession, is purely coincidence or post-facto.
And there is that Islamists on the other side. Indonesians (muslims) really detest America and Israel, for example.
Funny thing is Christians and other minor religion followers support Israel because of local tension (minorities are suppressed in Indonesia).
Half of evangelicals support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy
According to prophecy, Israel must exist to bring about rapture, when Jesus's followers will ascend to heaven and everyone else will be killed. Since they are not followers of Christ all Israelis would be killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/
They probably think they're s clever. "Silly Jews, you think you've got such a good deal with all this free money but wait until the magic sky man comes and murders every one of you in cold blood because that's what somebody who claims to love people does, murders billions of them, and you're first! Ha ha. Silly magic sky man, doesn't even know about all the loopholes."
I read this in Homer Simpson's voice.
Corruption and money laundering through the military complex. I mean who needs free medical care anyways, right? That's for European commies.
Evangelical caucus believes that the Jews trying to build the third temple will make the rapture happen.
Dumbfucks can't even read their own book right.
We have a lot of enemies out that way and so do they, so we became allies and support them because it's in our best interest. We keep supporting them because apparently they've held up whatever end of the bargain we request and for the US money is easy.
Yeah they just print more of it
Almost all that money ends up back in the United States.
Well a few years back a group of really nasty people tried to murder every Jewish person. Then a thing or two happened, the USA nuked a few cities because the State in which those cities existed allied themselves with the people that wanted to murder all the Jews.
Now, we have the back of the Jews, and one of Hamas' stated purposes is to murder all the Jews. Makes sense we'd be interested in keeping that from happening. Genocide is kind of a bad thing.
Big yikes. History revisionist.
Generally speaking he's not incorrect.
Generally speaking that's a lot of self-serving bs narrative
Because the US realises that the goal of groups like Hamas and Hisbollah from Iran, and many other extremist Muslim groups, is to get rid of all Jews in the area. But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the "right" group of people.
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven't/don't we step in for them?
Because at some point people have to figure out their own shit for themselves.
America can't be the policeman for the world forever, fixing everyone's problems 24/7. We have our own problems to focus on as well.
We usually get involved when things get extreme, or when someone's trying to keep us from the oil (just keeping it real).
I just realized you're not the same person, but your response is still weird given the context of the conversation.
Original below, but ignore it I guess.
Uh...The question was "why is the US so involved with Israel," and you replied it's because the US is against genocide. So then, 'shouldn't Israel be figuring its shit out' without us?
Agreed, but I'm not the one picking favorites here.
Considering you took what I said out of context, so it sounds like I'm saying something completely different, I couldn't really ignore it, and had to reply to it.
Next time it might be better if you just deleted what you said, especially if it wasn't towards the intended person.
So I was responding to this, specifically the italicized part...
As far as this goes...
My actual previous response included this sentence...
Finally just because you were very selective in my comment sentences that you quoted, let me include the whole thing down here below, for anyone else who may be reading this...
Dude, i wasn't even trying to talk to you. I thought I was talking to the other guy, which is why I left that there. Calm down.
Someone manipulates what I say so that it sounds like I said something different, I'm going to respond and push back. Anyone would.
You should have deleted your comment.
It literally said "ignore this."
Seek help.
Wow, it's like you ignored everything I just said beforehand just so you could have the last word.
Instead of telling somebody to ignore a post and leaving it up, you should delete the post, especially if it's not for that person that you're replying to.
Yup, seek help.
There are also many who do not want to see anyone get hurt.
And there are also many who want to support a terrorist implicitly by not explicitly denouncing his actions, just because their leftist ideology demands it from them
When it comes to human beings, there are always many thoughts and many perspectives.
The only reason the US wouldn't be on the side of the European colonists bringing god and civilization to a deserted wasteland full of annoying houses and mysteriously angry natives is antisemitism. Once that calmed down criticizing Israel is criticizing US history and that would be woke.