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none. i'm drinking tonight
You can't imagine how happy I am about this. As a German government dude whose work is directly influenced by how competent and problem-solving foreign governments and ministries are, this will be a game changer.
Expect a lot more German-Polish cooperation for the next few years (until Germany gets their incompetent idiots again)
whoa whoa there, not so fast. first thing is forming the new government, then they'll spend a year or so unfucking up what pis fucked up and uprooting their people from some seats in public institutions, and then it's not a given that pis loses next election. but it's an improvement
Yeah, sadly, I fully expect PiS to win next time again. Because no matter what the next government does (whoever it may be), it won't be paradise and just enough voters will most likely want to punish them for not making their lives perfect - and that's how the idiots are back in charge.
one thing that i'm gonna give to them: PiS kickstarted sorely needed modernization of polish army. turns out that's the problem that responds pretty well to pouring money at it. who could have guessed?
i hope this continues, even if limited in scale
Konfederacja is not like afd. PiS is like AfD. Konfederacja is like a child of FDP with NPD
Nah i wouldn't say so. Konfa is more like AfD, PiS is more like CSU that got high on power and let intrusive thoughts win
PiS - Fidesz is also reasonable comparison
Have fun, and thanks for the summary :)
i voted today, ask me anything
What did you vote and why?
i've voted for our tiny (8.6% in exit polls) social democrat party Razem every time since they were founded
Hello my fellow Razemek ;)
What are you drinking? I really hope for you people in Poland and for all of us Europeans that the exit polls results will be confirmed by actual results.
Where are you following the results? And at what time should we expect final(ish) results?
expect late polls monday evening and final, official results somewhere around tuesday or maybe even wednesday
official results will be here: lower house: https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2023/pl/sejm/wynik/pl upper house: https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2023/pl/senat/wynik/pl
as for now everyone seems to be taking exit polls from ipsos, this is fine might be paywalled https://www.rp.pl/wybory/art39269471-wybory-2023-badanie-exit-poll-pis-wygrywa-wybory-opozycja-ma-wiekszosc-w-sejmie this is fine, even that it's owned by ringer axel springer now https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/wybory-2023-opozycja-ma-szanse-przejac-wladze-znamy-mozliwy-podzial-mandatow/m1j15wm,79cfc278 guardian is fine, bbc is fine, everyone is reporting the same thing anyway from same sources
ipsos late poll is out:
PiS 36,6% (198) KO 31,0% (161) TD 13,5% (57) Lewica 8,6% (30) Konfederacja 6,4% (14)
most likely coalition is KO + TD + Lewica with 248 seats, 231 needed for majority, 277 needed to reject presidential veto, 308 to change constitution
official results are expected tuesday evening or so
https://nitter.net/MarcinPalade <- this dude is a statistician, he posts results every time elections happen, rumors, exit polls, late polls, whatever you want, he has it
Thanks man, have a great day!
looking at partial election results something extremely funny is about to happen. check again tomorrow
schadenfreude delivery:
These are PiS high command's cheerful faces at yesterday's post-election conference. Technically they won elections as they got largest share of votes, but they won't be able to form majority government
Drink one for me :)
So, Elightened Centrism coalition coming?
looks like KO + TD + Lewica, so socdems, centrist liberals, centrist-ish christian democrats and agrarians, overall proeuropean
So, for an outsider, is this similar as current, more or less righ wing? Will Poland go back on some problems regarding lgbt..+ community or will persecution continue?
PiS are right-wing populists. The proposed coalition would be liberal/center left. So way less radical right-wing stuff and more support for LGBT rights.
thanks. That does sound good.
right wing populist are out of govt, better rule of law, judiciary, cooperation with EU, maybe even lgbt rights or abortion rights are in <- don't hold your breath for the last one because that one new christian democrat party is part of that coalition and it's unknown how will they behave